Hello Albert,

epic task - I appreciate your work :-)
And I agree with Florin and others that less may be more. What I mean is:

- I think it's generally accepted that stopping or reversing the constant 
growth of routing tables is a good thing. No need to explain the potential 
problems of large(r) tables.

- no doubt it's a good idea to refer to this original reason why LISP was 
started

- I would tend towards statements that are less fundamental, e.g.

    However, nodes and routing have fundamentally different
    requirements,

is IMHO not correct as a general statement. There are millions of nodes that 
are happy with the address they get from their DSL or cable provider - which 
is solely based on the provider's routing plan. These nodes simply don't care 
about topology vs. identity.

True is that newer phenomena like multihoming, mobility, over-the-top, [...] 
can be addressed by this view that node location != node identity. And yes, 
this shows that LISP is chasing something bigger than "just" Internet routing 
table size.


Still have to read more of your document :-)

Regards, Marc







On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 23:46:09 +0200, Albert Cabellos wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> I would like to ask the WG about this section, should we we describe
> the problem that LISP is trying to solve in the Introduction section?
> 
> Some people suggest that we should while others that it provides too
> many details.
> 
> Below you can find a sample description of the problem statement.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Albert
> 
>    There is a rough consensus that the Internet routing and addressing
>    system is facing severe scalability issues [RFC4984].  Specifically,
>    the growth in the size of the routing tables of the Default-Free Zone
>    (DFZ) is accelerating and showing a supra-linear slope [DFZ].  The
>    main driving force behind this growth is the de-aggregation of BGP
>    prefixes, which results from the existing BGP multihoming and traffic
>    engineering mechanisms that are used -at the time of this writing- on
>    the Internet, as well as non-aggregatable address allocations.
> 
>    This issue has two profound implications, on the one hand Internet
>    core routers are exposed to the network dynamics of the edge.  For
>    instance this typically leads to an increased amount of BGP UPDATE
>    messages (churn), which results in additional processing requirements
>    of Internet core routers in order to timely compute the DFZ RIB.
>    Secondly, the supra-linear growth imposes strong requirements on the
>    size of the memory storing the DFZ FIB.  Both aspects lead to an
>    increase on the development and production cost of high-end routers,
>    and it is unclear if the semiconductor and router manufacturer
>    industries will be able to cope, in the long-term, with such
>    stringent requirements in a cost-effective way[RFC4984].
> 
>    Although this important scalability issue is relatively new, the
>    architectural reasons behind it are well-known many years ago.
>    Indeed, and as pointed out by [Chiappa], IP addresses have overloaded
>    semantics.  Currently, IP addresses both identify the topological
>    location of a network attachment point as well as the node's
>    identity.  However, nodes and routing have fundamentally different
>    requirements, routing systems require that addresses are aggregatable
>    and have topological meaning, while nodes require to be identified
>    independently of their current location.
> 
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:53 AM, Albert Cabellos
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hi all
>> 
>> This is the proposed Introduction following the comments on the list:
>> 
>> This document introduces the Locator/ID Separation Protocol (LISP)
>> [RFC6830] architecture, its main operational mechanisms and its design
>> rationale. Fundamentally, LISP is built following a well-known
>> architectural idea: decoupling the IP address overloaded semantics.
>> Indeed and as pointed out by [Chiappa], currently IP addresses both
>> identify the topological location of a network attachment point as
>> well as the node's identity.  However, nodes and routing have
>> fundamentally different requirements, routing systems require that
>> addresses are aggregatable and have topological meaning, while nodes
>> require to be identified independently of their current location.
>> 
>> LISP creates two separate namespaces, EIDs (End-host IDentifiers) and
>> RLOCs (Routing LOCators), both are -typically, but not limited to-
>> syntactically identical to the current IPv4 and IPv6 addresses.  EIDs
>> are used to uniquely identify nodes irrespective of their topological
>> location and are typically routed intra-domain. RLOCs are assigned
>> topologically to network attachment points and are typically routed
>> inter-domain.  With LISP, the edge of the Internet -where the nodes
>> are connected- and the core -where inter-domain routing occurs- are
>> architecturally separated and interconnected by LISP-capable routers.
>> LISP also introduces a publicly accessible database, called the
>> Mapping System, to store and retrieve mappings between identity and
>> location.  LISP-capable routers exchange packets over the Internet
>> core by encapsulating them to the appropriate location.
>> 
>> By taking advantage of such separation between location and identity,
>> LISP offers Traffic Engineering, multihoming, and mobility among
>> others benefits. Additionally, LISP’s approach to solve the routing
>> scalability problem [RFC4984] is that with LISP the Internet core is
>> populated with RLOCs which can be quasi-static and highly
>> aggregatable, hence scalable [Quoitin].
>> 
>> It is important to note that this document does not specify or
>> complement the LISP protocol.  The interested reader should refer to
>> the main LISP specification [RFC6830] and the complementary documents
>> [RFC6831],[RFC6832],[RFC6833],[RFC6834],[RFC6835], [RFC6836] for the
>> protocol specifications along with the LISP deployment guidelines
>> [RFC7215].
>> 
>> Albert
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