Hi,

I think is fair to state in the intro document that data- and control- planes 
are “decoupled” in LISP because their instantiation may run on different boxes, 
but they are not “isolated” because LISP data plane can trigger control plane 
activity. 

These are well-known LISP facts.

On 07 Oct 2014, at 23:26, Dino Farinacci <[email protected]> wrote:

[snip]

>> Rather than making the blanket statement, it might be a good idea to compare 
>> the degree to which the control and forwarding plane are separated in LISP 
>> and the degree to which they are separated in push-based routing protocols"
> 

AFAICT the intro document is meant to provide an entry level description of the 
LISP architecture. 
It is not meant to be a "LISP vs any other technology” document.

IMHO, as Florin suggests, the question may or may not fit in the impact 
document.

ciao

Luigi




> But that is an introduction section. The "degree" means more detail.
> 
> Dino
> 
>> 
>>                                                                       Ron
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dino Farinacci [mailto:[email protected]]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 5:04 PM
>>> To: Ronald Bonica
>>> Cc: Albert Cabellos; [email protected]; Damien Saucez
>>> Subject: Re: [lisp] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lisp-introduction-05.txt -
>>> Decoupling
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> To me, this means that draft-ietf-lisp-introduction-05 MUST NOT contradict
>>> RFC 6830. Now consider the following text from RFC 6830:
>>>> 
>>>> "In order to maintain security and stability, Internet protocols typically
>>> isolate the control and data planes. Therefore, user activity cannot cause
>>> control-plane state to be created or destroyed.  LISP does not maintain this
>>> separation.  The degree to which the loss of separation impacts security and
>>> stability is a  topic for experimental observation."
>>>> 
>>>> Now, consider the following text from draft-ietf-lisp-introduction-05:
>>>> 
>>>> "Decoupled data and control-plane: Separating the data-plane from the
>>> control-plane allows them to scale independently and use   different
>>> architectural approaches.  This is important given that they typically have
>>> different requirements."
>>> 
>>> "Isolate" means non-overlapping. But the control-plane and data-plane are
>>> generally separated. And in all architectures, when one depends on the
>>> other, you have to question how isolated the planes really are.
>>> 
>>> The statements made in the intro document are general and not detailed, so
>>> it is not contradicting what we defer to as more detail in RFC 6830.
>>> 
>>> Dino
>> 
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