Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
>
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Olwen Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >My obesity surgery support list for a start. I knew zilch about running
> >a mailing list when I started it, and the only reason I started it was
> >that I could not believe that there was not a list already. No one else
> >seemed to be volunteering to set up a list. I didn't have sponsership
> >for the list. It just seemed as if it needed doing, and time has proved
> >that.
> >
> >Pull you head in Ron, your postings seems to smack of techno-arrogance
> >to me.
>
> That's fine by me.
>
> Look, I don't do obesity surgery. I stay out of that completely and leave
> it entirely to the experts. All I ask in return is that obesity surgeons
> stay out of the business of trying to pretend like they know what the hell
> they are doing when it comes to computers in general, and mailing lists in
> particular.
I don't do obesity surgery either. I had it done to me by a man
competent in the field, but he didn't provide any post-op support. If
you had read this your would have seen that it's a support list, not a
surgery list. Now I'm not a support person either, but I needed a place
where it was okay to talk about the fact that I was having problems
adjusting to the changes, or that I was really pleased to be under 200
lbs. There was nowhere I could find where that sort of talk was
on-topic, so I set up a mailing list to talk to people in a similar
situation. I suspect that many lists get set up that way.
>
> >People are here to learn and your attitude doesn't make me for
> >one want to stay.
>
> I'll be sorry to see you go, but that's your decision. I am not going to
> apologize for my beliefs that (a) mailing lists can be dangerous and that
> (b) there are some awfully clue-impared people running some of these things
> who shouldn't be.
>
> >Incidentally I've never been forge subscribe to a mailing list. If it
> >happens to Ron all the time does that say samething about him?
>
> It says that I have controversial opinions. So what's yer point? Are you
> suggesting that anyone with controversial opions deserves to be mailbombed?
> Is that what you are really trying to say?
>
> I don't think that you really means that, but if you do, that I would have
> to say that you have about as much respect for free speech online as did
> the people who wrote the CDA (e.g. Senator Exon). It seems that as far as
> _you_ are concerned anyone who got mailbombed back in the old days for
> being anti-apartide (sp?) or anyone who gets mailbombed these days for
> being pro-choice just deserves what they get.
>
I'm afaraid I don't know what the CDA is. That could be beacuse I'm not
an American. Now I know that some people feels that means I shouldn't
be on the internet. Maybe I was a bit harsh in my statements, and I
probably violated one of the rules of my own mailing list which is
politeness.
> _I_ have been subscription bombed three times by spammers who don't like
> the fact that (and, not coincodently, a few thousand other people) are
> working constantly to get their accounts yanked.
>
> >Could he have antagonised people so that they do this to him.
>
> I did and I freely admit that. I antagonized spammers by asking them and
> their service providers not to spam people. However the vast majority of
> people online who I have spoken to seem to feel that the work that I do
> is good and useful and (yes) even noble, and most _thank_ me for doing it.
>
> Being controversial is not the same as being evil and no, being contro-
> versial DOES NOT mean that you deserve to me mailbombed (as you seem to
> imply).
>
> I suggest that you rethink your attitudes about this.
>
> -- Ron Guilmette, Roseville, California ---------- E-Scrub Technologies, Inc.
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