>Ivan, you need to take more lessons on ``spammer speak''.  You just aren't
>getting the essence of it.  You need to hang out in
news.admin.net-abuse.email
>for awhile.  If you do, you will learn that spammers (and the folks who in-
>directly make money from them, like you) always talk about ``free
speach(tm)''.

Ron,
The problem here is that of course I don't 'need' to 'hang out' in any
newsgroups for a while to learn to moderate my language, or learn how to
talk in a politicallly correct way. I don't need to learn to talk the
correct language. 
I was there and I remember well when the whole Internet consisted of people
like you - everything was a club and there was a huge resistance to 'making
money'. Luckily, things changed. Now, we all need to make a living and the
Internet accepts that. 

And you seem to have a desire to make your living in the arena of 'Spam'.
Which of course means that you have to be an expert in this area. Which of
course gives you an incentive to spend all your time working out your
position on things. 
I, on the other hand, run a business that has to do with domain names. So,
if you want chapter and verse on domain name issues we can engage at great
length.
I will of course try my best to avoid sarcasm, put downs, zealotry and
abuse. I don't think anyone knows what the answers are - and there are as
many views on it as there are people involved.
I don't know much at all about the history of Spam control, but I would
assume that there are different sides and different positions and lots of
arguments.
I would be highly surprised if your attitude or the attitude on
news.admin.net-abuse.email is somehow the official or only line, however
much you might like it to be.
Therefore, my approach, which is one of 'I don't like holier-than-thou
systems which impose one person's value system on everyone else'. That's my
view and I reserve the right to have it.
Plenty of people get vilified for not taking the party line, but that
doesn't mean they are wrong or evil or anything. Think about it.
And why don't you send me the definition of spam that you use for these
discussions?
Ivan

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