At 8:06 AM -0500 2/5/99, Tom Neff wrote:
> The dialectic Ivan and Chuq bring up - "Better tools!" vs "Better user
> behavior!" - has been around since the beginning, and will probably always
> be around.

Heck, go back into the Usenet arguments, and you'll see me in the 
middle of many of those fights a decade or more ago.

Usenet's a great example, by the way. Education (i.e. better user 
behavior) has significant limits. All the FAQs and netiquettes and 
whatevers in the world only work if users actually use them. And the 
fun part is, it's very hard to see how many DO, because generally, 
all you hear from are those that don't. The typical usenet group is 
inundated with questions answered in the FAQ, but you have no clue 
how much MORE inundated you'd be without it. So education works, and 
run a statisticalyl significant user survey, you'll find stuff like 
that is used a lot and very useful -- but tends to get discounted, 
because there's still a high level of noise out there from the naive 
and the lusers.

Better tools isn't a complete solution, either, because, frankly, as 
you continue to build better mousetraps, you simply evolve better 
mice. Um, idiots. you know what I mean.

But by combining the two, you can make great strides. One of the 
great weaknesses of most help systems or FAQs is that they generally 
boil down to Big Hunks O' Text. Typo a majordomo command, and 
majordomo spits out a 10K help file, and invites you to guess which 
paragraph is relevant to their problem. that's a real help. My system 
traps the most common mistakes and responds with a message that 
targets the problem (and the fix). Gee, instead of "guess the 
answer", users now know what they did wrong, how to fix it, and my 
sites magically have many fewer stupid users all of a sudden...

(better tools and more effective education, together for better user 
behavior....)

> Using the Web for purely
> optional control of a list that still gets delivered (in some form per user)
> via traditional email: this is probably an idea whose time has come.

Sure has. Actually, I've been working towards it for about 18 months 
now. I want to completely remove the concept of "subscription" to a 
"list", especially if that subscription is tied to an e-mail address 
instead of a user. Becuse users don't change, but they're email 
addresses do, and there's no hell like being subscribed to 18 lists 
and have to remember which variant of what address is on which 
list.....

> Requiring the Web, plus Java, flash, etc, for ALL aspects, including reading
> messages and  the rest of it, is something I'd resist.

The joy of it is, all you need is HTML. The rest is backend magic 
like databases and dynamic generation and big email servers. Very 
easy for the user, very low-tech necessities as far as end-user 
requirements, but the real demands go where they belong, on the 
programmers and server side of things.

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