> managing lists are inadequate. Spam is just one facet of this. I have
> always found the absoluteness of lists a pain: what I mean by this is the

I've had so little spam come via the lists I own or subscribe too.. that for me,
anyway, it's not a problem.  I think Listserv seems to offer some pretty good 
protections from that... or as good as it can get on the net... and of course making 
use of those protections are up to the listowner and the subscribers too I guess.

Spam I get in spades from web access harvesting and from those #$#(&% that 
harvest web pages themselves ... but in all these years.. I can easily count on one 
hand I think.. the spam I've gotten because of email lists.

  ...Cleo  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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