In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Stan Ryckman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Now get this... if the probe FAILS... which is to say if the address is
>>in fact bad... then it appears that Listserv then tries to send a ``probe
>>failed'' message TO THE ADDRESS THAT JUST FAILED!
>
>I think this give the subscriber's system one last chance to have recovered
>from one of those "transient permanent" errors.
I don't think so, and in any case that would not make sense. If you are
still trying to check and see if it has ``recovered'' then you should have
a proper envelope return address where the response will be sent if it has
not. Otherwise you get zero information back either way, and you never
know one way or the other.
>Well, the null envelope return address just means that there is nobody
>who cares if the message can be delivered;...
Apparently, yes, at least to the folks at Lsoft.
But as I say, in my experience, the neull envelopes seem to ONLY be associated
with normal mail system bounces and spam. (I guess I now have to add a caveat
and an exception to that in the case of special case of LISTSERV.)
>When LISTSERV probes, it needs the bounce so it can remove the subscriber,
>so the probe itself has a non-null envelope return address. Once it has
>removed the subscriber, there is nothing more LISTSERV can do...
Except, apparently, to waste more of everyone's time and bandwidth by _again_
trying to send a message to a dstination address that it (or its owner) is
already satisfied is in fact undeliverable.
>Maybe you disagree with the probe process or the "probe failed" message
>or the fact that it now happens to fall in your "mis-addressed spam" pile...
>but it hardly seems deserving of the term "beyond moronic."
Why does it make any sense to send yet another message to an address that
you already know and believe is dead?
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