On Thu, Apr 22, 1999 at 12:49:53PM -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
>
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> David Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, Apr 21, 1999 at 09:42:36PM -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
> >> Nonetheless, all I have at this point is speculation. Nobody has yet
> >> shown me one living breathing example of an SMTP sending agent that
> >> will go berzerk or do Bad Things if it gets a 5xx error after the DATA
> >> phase of the transaction.
> >
> >Alan Brown on rbl-discuss mentioned the AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0.
> >To quote: "One's currently belting on my main mailserver, to the tune of
> >20,000 connects in the last 24 hours." I think it doesn't take 5xx for an
> >answer... ^^^^^^^
>
> Do you grasp the difference between speculation and definitive evidence?
>
> ``I think'' that you were actually the second gunman who was on the grassy
> knoll on that crisp November day in 1963 back in Dallas. So should we
> lock you up?
>
> >Now, I'll grant you there are a few more sendmail installations in the
> >world than AppleShare, but it is a "living breathing example".
>
> No, it's speculation, and no even very substantial speculation.
Ron, what part of "One's currently belting on my main mailserver, to the
tune of 20,000 connects in the last 24 hours." is speculation? The "I
think" is *my* comment. Notice the closing quotes right before it?
You also edited what I said, distorting its meaning. The whole statement
from the original mail was:
"I think it doesn't take 5xx for an answer, period, rather than
just after the DATA phase, but that is probably immaterial here."
The salient point of that statement, which you edited out, was that I
suspected that the server didn't accept 5xx at all. It is not an open
question whether the server is performing correctly or not, as a correctly
performing server wouldn't continue to connect 20,000 times a day.
> >He also
> >mentioned several (unnamed) mailing list systems that don't "take 5xx for
> >an answer".
>
> He said that he _believed_ there may be some such.
>
> He didn't say that he actually knew of any.
>
> I believe that the Loch Ness monster exists... and I have video tapes
> of it! Want you buy some? Only $39.95 a tape! Hey! Such a deal.
> Send me your credit card number.
Bzzzt. Wrong. Actual quote:
"I've had to deal with the aftermath of several mailing list
packages which wouldn't take 5xx for an answer"
Thanks for playing though.
Do whatever the heck you want on your OWN systems, but I think it is
irresponsible of you to provide the patches to sendmail to implement this
functionality without mentioning that it might have unwanted (at best)
side effects. I'm sure you'll do whatever you want, as usual, though.
> >but do you really trust every programmer who is working on mail systems to
> >always get it right?
>
> No, but neither do I have a fallout shelter/bunker in my backyard.
>
> I don't make plans around unlikely possibilities and/or idle speculations
> about really weird stuff that _may_ happen.
>
> Hell! The Sun might suddenly go nova! I guess I'd better rush down to
> the local Thrify's and pick up some of that SPF 5,000 sun block!
> :-)
Ron, you have gotten so rabid on the subject of spam that even people who
agree with you in spirit (like me) are turned off by your ranting.
* You aren't always right.
* Just because someone points out a potential flaw in your reasoning
doesn't make them the devil.
* Decaf is your friend.
I'm done with this topic as, frankly, I'm starting to think you're
trolling. It's verging off topic for list-managers anyway.
David
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