> I agree that sites (such as MSN.com) which produce useless non-delivery
> reports (or allow list unfriendly autoresponders or other policies which
> cause headaches for list manangers) need to be excluded from Internet
> mailing lists.

MSN has a horrible mail system that runs on NT and consists of hacked up old
versions of Exchange or something like that.  It's held together with duct
tape and chewing gum.  I gather that their plan is to move as quickly as they
can to a system based on Hotmail, since the newest version of Outlook Express
has special code to use Hotmail (or any other web site that implements their
undocumented protocol) as the mail server. 

This doesn't excuse MSN, but it does mean that until they move their system
to something based on Hotmail, it's not going to get any better, and I
wouldn't blame you for kicking all MSN users off your list.  If you get an
MSN bounce, just kick off all the MSN users, then send them a mailing
explaining you can't tell who caused the bounce, if it wasn't them they can
resubscribe, and they should complain to MSN for forcing this asinine
situation. 

Regards,
John Levine, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://iecc.com/johnl, Sewer Commissioner
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