Something folks probably ought to know about.

above.net has (fairly recently, as far as I can tell), set up their 
networks to block any IP traffic to sites that are listed in the RBL. 
This has the side effect that any site downstream of them (I buy 
network from wombatnet, which buys network from above.net, for 
instance), is now controlled by the RBL, whether they want to be or 
not.

Now while I support the RBL in theory, in practice, I have issues 
with it (because, among other things, I know of too many cases, 
including one I was indirectly involved in, where they tend to shoot 
first and ask questions when the lawyers call), and I don't run it on 
my machines. I now find it's irrelevant whether or not I run it; 
worse, if someone decides they want to "get" me, or any other 
downstream customer of above.net, they can attack us via the RBL.

In fact, today I had to remote access into work to access a web site 
of a company to unsubscribe from a mailing list I was subscribed to 
at home, because the mailing list was on an RBLed site, and I 
couldn't access them via any protocol from home. I know that company 
pretty well, and it doesn't spam, except under very tight-@ss 
definitions of spam, but to put it bluntly, one or two tight-@ss can 
get you loaded into the RBL, and then you're in deep. Especially if 
you're downstream of above.net, and can't get to the RBL sites to 
find out what's going on or work on resolving it... Sites on the 
wrong side of this can literally be made to disappear without access 
to fix it.

I'm not thrilled at this. I think blocking ALL traffic based on RBL 
data is excessive (I'd be unhappy if they blocked SMTP, but I can 
live with that), especially since the RBL is sometimes unreliable, 
and their definition of bad-stuff isn't universally accepted by a 
long shot. I've brought up these issues with my ISP, since I this is 
a well-intentioned wrong-think.

I'm bringing it up here because I ran into it when subscribed members 
of my lists started having mail back up for no reason, and it took me 
a couple of days to track it down. Since above.net's fairly large and 
blocks traffic bi-directionally and unilaterally, it could be 
affecting everyone's delivery and mail queues as well. And if your 
main network routes through above.net, you're at risk of a complete 
blackout if someone decides to get you dumped into the RBL.

Something you might want to be aware of, folks... This might be 
affecting you, and you don't know it. Which isn't a big deal if you 
support the RBL yourself, but if you don't, you may find that you are 
and didn't realize it.

chuq


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