On 27 Nov 2001, at 10:10, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:

> I am seeing more and more messages of the form "I know this is off-topic,
> but..." -- things where the poster knows and admits upfront it doesn't
> belong on a list, but has decided to send it anyway.
> 
> These drive me crazy. Innocent mistakes and naivete are things I can deal
> with and I try to be patient with those people, but here are folks who know
> up-front what they're doing is wrong, because they are apologizing in
> advance. 

I'm not sure I've seen much of an increase recently.  I can say that there ar 
definitely qualitative differences among the mailing lists I'm on --- some just 
send OT stuff as if the list is 'anything goes', others are pretty good about 
putting 'OT' or some similar flag [but otherwise freely post 'off topic'] and 
others are very 'tight'.  The differences are there, but I can't say that I've 
seen a real shift-in-style among the lists I hang around...

[...]

> ...It seems to me
> there's some aspect of laziness here ("rather than find the right place,
> I'll ask the close place") but combined with the "know these guys are
> clueful" aspect, so there's a mixed message here.

But, not exactly 'lazy' --- I think you're vastly underestimating the hassle 
and the entry barrier to dropping into a new, focused forum to ask a one-time 
question. 

I do try to do that and I can attest that it hurts: finding the right 
newsgroup, scan the last few weeks to get the sense of the group, check out the 
FAQ, *THEN* ask my question, follow the newsgroup for a few days to see if I 
get any replies, then unsubscribe... [I find it easier to browse and play with 
newsgroups than to do a similar cycle with mailing lists].  A *real* PITA for a 
one-shot question...    So I tend to be forgiving [especially if it is flagged 
so that the hard-liners can ignore it/filter it if they choose]...

  /Bernie\
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