On Sun, 07 Jul 2002 17:13:44 -0700 Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/7/02 12:12 PM, "J C Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> No, it's not possible. Trust me on that. >> Care to comment a little on this? > Not really, sorry. Other than to note that it's fairly easy to build > bugs that either can't be neutered without destroying the message, or > to build bugs that can't be recognized as bugs. Pretty much the same point I got to. I've spent quite a while trying to build tenable proof-cases without getting one I can't knock down with minimal thought. Kinda hoped you might shed some light on how you got there too in case I missed something. > Not really. Users simply need to go to the vendors that need to > change, and lobby them. The fact is, the market being uncontrolled and > as-hoc has very little to do with it. The small number of users that > CARE is the major issue here. The only advantage some kind of > cooperative organization would have is that it's an easier target for > a small but noisy group to target. If you can't build critical mass in > the user base, the alternative is to try to find some target on the > vendor side a small group can, um, influence. The lack of either means > nothing gets done -- but frankly, it also implies it probably doesn't > need to be. ...for the general case. Corners are always messier. >> Now my demographics are unusual and narrow. > Definitely. But it doesn't surprise me that an admin that takes a > fairly high profile on their local systems tends to attract > like-minded users ot those systems. That's to be expected. Touche. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.
