Join a Microsoft partnership program and for $400 a year you can have 10
licenses of Visual Studio plus all OS's and software Microsoft makes
including office. 

That's how they get ya as a small business owner.  Their tools are much
cheaper than dreamweaver or homesite to develop in.  You can code .NET in
notepad, the same as you can CF, but no one does.

Datasources can be controlled on windows servers via Administrative
tools-->ODBC for all languages.  This has been around longer than CF, but CF
decided to store their passwords in their own system so when you setup a DSN
via the standard way it doesn't work in CF.  You can thank Allaire for
breaking the traditional way of doing this that every other language uses.
It used to be under control panel, you can thank Microsoft for moving it and
confusing everyone.  You will see you CF datasources in there as well but
you cannot edit them from their because Allaire doesn't play nice with
others. 

With .NET you can control your datasources with never leaving the coding
environment, no page to go to, login, get permission from certain people.
You can configure it all from within VS.NET.  There should be less coding in
.NET if you do it properly.  Get some training, read some books, learn how
to code in this new environment and it can save you time, or you can stick
to what you know.

Jacob

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Matthew Woodward
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:59 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: CF VS .Net?

I've done two smallish projects in C#, and if you don't use Visual Studio
the amount of code you have to write is HEINOUS.  If you plan to do any
amount of .NET development whatsoever, add Visual Studio licenses to the
total cost because writing all that code by hand is a nightmare.  To me
that's not a strength of the Visual Studio tool, it's a weakness of the
language. ;-)  I just don't understand why everything other than CF (and
some J2EE servers of course) doesn't manage your datasources so you can have
simple query statements like we have in CF, and that's just one example.
All that extra code adds up quickly.

Matt

On Jun 9, 2005, at 8:49 AM, John Ivanoff wrote:

> A while back ben forta blogged on this "Defending ColdFusion Against 
> ASP.NET"
> http://www.forta.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=e&entry=1264
>
> he said it should be more J2EE vs .NET "ASP.NET apps take advantage of 
> the .NET framework and infrastructure, just like ColdFusion apps take 
> advantage of J2EE"
>
> I've looked into .NET and to me it's like programming cobol. 30* lines 
> of code to do a "HELLO WORLD" But I'm sure you can do some really cool 
> stuff with it.
>
> * not really but sure seems like 30.
>
> On 6/9/05, David Whatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Just for discussion, what are the pro's and cons on CF versus .Net?
>>
>> David Whatley
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