Yeah, I'm all over an Eclipse discussion. I haven't really taken time to explore, and there's TONS there to be found, I'm sure.

Matt Woodward wrote:

Great Mike--if you want to lead up the Eclipse discussion that would
be very cool, and maybe that portion of the night could be a
relatively informal discussion of what cool features Eclipse has for
CFers and some of the incredibly useful plugins that are available. This could make for a good roundtable discussion after you do a
walkthrough.  If you were volunteering that is. ;-)  I'd love to see
some new faces get up and present.

So it sounds like maybe the meeting is shaping up thusly:

1. Brief Flash Forms presentation: Dave Shuck
2. Head First Mach-II: Matt Woodward
3. Eclipse Roundtable: Mike Kelp and other Eclipse users

That seems like a pretty good mix to me--I'd like to put the Eclipse
discussion last so it could be pretty open-ended.  Let me know your
thoughts everyone.

Thanks,
Matt

On 8/16/05, Mike Kelp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have actually gained a lot of experience using good old CVS encrypted over
SSH with Eclipse as it is the most stable system for it. All of the
subversion plugins I have seen thus far are incomplete :-( It is nice to be
able to do everything without a second client (no leaving Eclipse). Also,
eclipse has a very good built in local file history for recovering those
mistakes within the last 7 days.

Also, I haven't seen this mentioned, but Eclipse has a very good FTP and
WebDAV synchronization plugin that I use all the time when I'm working. I
edit everything locally, committing to the CVS as usual and then have Eclipse
perform a diff with the FTP site when I'm ready to upload so I don't forget
files I have edited or images.

As for line by line comparisons, it does a great job at that and I even found
a basic CSS plugin that has a special comparison view for CVS mode that shows
exactly what IDs and classes were edited.

Anyway, let me know if I can be of any help for this meeting as it is
something I've really been into lately and I am do for some Eclipse
evangelism hehe.

Thanks,
Mike.

On Wednesday 17 August 2005 02:27 am, Jordan Gouger wrote:
You can't beat free!

Matt Woodward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks Jordan--I haven't looked at Perforce in detail, but I've heard
really good things about it. The big thing in my mind is the price
when Subversion is free, but hey, I'm cheap like that even if it's
with company money. I have definitely heard great things about it
particularly on large teams, and the functionality you're mentioning
sounds pretty cool. Subversion does comparisons between your version
and the most recently committed version, but it doesn't go beyond that
as far as I know. But hey, it's free. :-)

Matt

On 8/16/05, Jordan Gouger wrote:
Matt,

Sounds like a great idea about having a meeting on Eclipse!

Have you looked at Perforce? (http://www.perforce.com) We use that in the
office to support a team of 10-15 developers. Perhaps the best feature of
it is that allows you to view a line-line comparison between either two
different versions of files in the depot or between your version and
somebody else's. Very helpful to use on a multi-developer project!

Jordan

Matt Woodward wrote:
If I have my way we're going to dump VSS at work and go with SVN. SVN
is way more capable and the Tortoise Windows explorer integration that
Joe mentions is really cool, not to mention the Subclipse plugin for
Eclipse.

As an aside, maybe Eclipse, CFEclipse, and all the other various
plugins would make a good UG meeting topic ... what do people think?

On 8/16/05, Joe Kelly wrote:
I'm a big fan of TortoiseSVN. You can roll back complete or partial
versions and even do code comparison, side by side to see the
highlighted differences.
I don't have time for mental mistakes!
http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/
Joe Kelly

On 8/16/05, Dan Blackman wrote:
Schreck, you're always prone to being mental....lol Kidding!

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:50 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: CFE FTP - What am I missing?

VSS is a must even if you are working on code by yourself. VSS has
label functionality that you can use to tag points in time with your
code. If you are not using VSS or similar type source control then I
highly recommend doing so.

I cannot count the number of times VSS has saved me. Especially
working late at night when I'm prone to make mental mistakes.

Tom


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom Woestman
Sent : Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:37 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: CFE FTP - What am I missing?

Agreed - this has happened to me several times. Fortunately, I use
VSS and was able to recover the last version of the file but it can
be annoying.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Shuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:19 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: CFE FTP - What am I missing?

Good point... I am almost exclusively using that working with a
development server, then doing wholesale moves. I have had a number
of "OH @$*#!!!" moments where Homesite dies in the middle of a save
and I am left with a forced kill of homesite.exe and an 0 byte file
on the server! That alone keeps me from using that method in
production.

On 8/16/05, Matt Woodward wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not unhappy with the addition, it just
wasn't what I expected. I guess based on how I work direct editing
via FTP seems a bit dangerous to me, but I suppose if you're FTPing
to a dev server that's cool. I'll stick with the Subversion flow I
got going recently. ;-)

Matt

On 8/16/05, Dave Shuck wrote:
That is exactly how Homesite handles its FTP though, so some of
us are happy. :)

On 8/16/05, Matt Woodward wrote:
On 8/15/05, Jake McKee wrote:
OK, playing with CFE 1.2... but ca n't seem to get the FTP to
do anything but view files on the server, or view files on
the server. Can I upload to the server with CFE? If so, how?
I think there's a bit of confusion--what I was expecting to be
able to do after initially reading about this feature was
right-click on a local file from file explorer view and do a
put on it similar to how Dreamweaver manages sites.

As near as I can tell that isn't the way it works. What it
basically does is gives you a file browser view that connects
directly to FTP, so if you double-click a file in FTP view it
will

do a get and open it, and if you hit save it saves your changes
on
the *remote* server.

In other words, this isn't like the site management stuff in
DW. It's still useful but it wasn't exactly what I was
expecting.

Matt
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