Kent and all,

Kent Crispin wrote:

> Sorry not to get to this sooner...
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 1999 at 04:40:27AM +0100, Sascha Ignjatovic wrote:
> [...]
>
> > please allowe me a question-wich comes out of my ignorence
> >
> > can you shortly explain  the fact that..
>
> [...]
>
> >
> > Q: how initial members into one constituency comes in first place
>
> The "bootstrap problem" is generic to the formation of any
> organization.  In this case it isn't completely specified, but is
> left to the "initial Names Council", as described in the following paragraph:
>
>   "Within four weeks after acceptance by the Corporation of this
>   application, the Names Council shall form itself initially by means
>   of a meeting of representatives of all entities that have
>   subscribed to the application in the form in which it is accepted
>   by the Corporation.  The meeting shall select an Initial Names
>   Council that shall have only the power to establish procedures for
>                                             ************************
>   the formation of the constituencies, the assessment of fees for the
>   ***********************************
>   start-up process and such further administrative steps as are
>   necessary to form the DNSO."
>
> Note the underlined section

  Is this to say that you are expecting or IF the ICANN is going to except
this lack of consensus support proposal to which you reference?

>
>
> > Q: how it will be asured that say some registries comes together into
> >    initial constituency-how ever
> >    and descide they want nobody else to become a member and make some
> >    membership rules wich are hard to meet or unfair..what ever..
> >    -this is only a example  nothing against registries :-)
>
> The following clause (III A) addresses that point:
>
>   "The processes of the Names Council (and the processes of each
>   constituency) shall be governed by the same provisions for open and
>   transparent non-discriminatory processes as those of the Board of
>   the Corporation.  A general mechanism for review of conflicts and
>   grievances will be developed.  This mechanism shall include the
>   appointment, from time to time, if supported by an affirmative vote
>   of one third of the Names Council, of a Fair Hearing Panel."

  Shouldn't this "Fair Hearing Panel" be an elected body from the
Membership?

>
>
> > in the further section it says
> >
> >
> > B.  MEMBERSHIP IN THE CONSTITUENCIES:
> >
> > The constituencies described herein are an initial set of
> > constituencies.  The DNSO and the Names Council will develop fair and
> > open procedures for the creation, deletion, and merger of
> > constituencies; and adjustment of the representation of
> > constituencies on the Names Council.
> >
> >     [COMMENT: there has been some discussion for mechanisms for doing
> >     this, but the issues are fairly complex.  Several points:
> >
> >
> > it says
> >
> > The DNSO and the Names Council will develop fair and
> > open procedures for the creation, deletion, and merger of
> > constituencies;
> >
> > but not how you it will handle the membership befor the "membership" set
> > rules for the membership for its constituency...
>
> As mentioned above, the "initial Names Council" will be in charge of
> that.

  Shouldn't the AT-LARGE membership be in charge here?

>
>
> > may be that this questions makes no sense or are rather already answered
> > or the time is not yet to asnwer them  but i place them anyhow...
> >
> > thanks
> > sascha
> >
> > ps.you sayed in your comment that you would on weekend comment more on..
> >
> >     [COMMENT: The "non-commercial" constituency has been added, and
> >     the "At-Large" constituency has been removed.
> >
> >     and will write more on the isue of individual membership wich could
> >     requayer a new and separate constituency for it as it may be proposed
> >     by the than name council or icann itself
>
> Yes, I am still working on that.  Lot's of other things pressing on my
> time at the moment, though...
>
> --
> Kent Crispin, PAB Chair                         "Do good, and you'll be
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]                               lonesome." -- Mark Twain

Regards,

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