Jonathon Weinberg wrote:
+ I'll cast another vote for the proposition that avoiding capture
+ should be a primary goal.
I, Bob Allisat wrote:
> It's already been captured. By Zittrain, Sims,
> IBM and the rest of these creeps. Time to wake
> up and realize what's happened. The capture
> is a full success and what is actually being
> discussed is how to avoid recapture by citizens
> at large. That is "We the People". And the only
> persons who are taking these sham procedings
> seriously are those who have been co-opted into
> the virtual coup d'etat.
Mark Measday commented
+ What would not constitute capture by these criteria for some
+ group or other? Capture is therefore a meaningless way of saying
+ that 'they' have it and 'we' haven't. But the essence of the
+ purportedly democratic structure here is that this kind of
+ alternance between 'we' and 'they' take place. Therefore capture
+ within some democratic structure might well be advisable, even
+ laudable. Bob, one could imagine a scenario where the 'creeps'
+ are encouraged by the 'people' to come forward and part with some
+ of their 'cash' which can then be 'spent' by the people. As such
+ it might be interesting for the 'people' to encourage 'capture',
+ in the sense that the wodges of 'cash' would not otherwise be
+ forthcoming. In the same way as Scotsmen used to assault policemen
+ on cold nights to get a night in the cells and avoid death by
+ hypothermia, in fact.
+
+ Worried in Europe.
Everyone's worried. Even here in North America. The problem
as I see it is just as you put it. People (once again as in
"We The...") are quite content to have the creeps (perhaps
myself among this category!) expend their various brands of
more or less manic and prodigious energies furthering the
general good. So long, so it seems, there is a way to exit
creeps that get way too creepy and enter others with fresh
approaches to keep it all on the permanent up and up
evolutionarily speaking (whew!). Like let there be change
or the potential for change minus major bloodshed is all
folks seem to want.
Problem is... capture that is first involuntary and second
appears to be a permanent pain in the collective ass tends to
cause restless natives leading to riotous mobs, storming of
sundry Bastilles and so on and so forth. Which appears to be
not the best way of changing things though it may well be the
most effective method. From time to time. Right now, listening
to a really fine rendering of Chopin's nocturn something or
others, I really hope we could avoid all that messiness and opt
for consensus, power sharing, round tables and all that rot.
Instead I figure more grief is ahead for one and all. Pity.
Bob Allisat
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