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or about him]
Jeff can't see the light of day for his narrow mindedness.
This US-Centric point of view of how easy things are for EVERYONE is one of the
problems we are facing.
Jeff, I know it is hard for you to see things in a larger scope than your room
at the Homestead or beyond your ant farm where the 89,000 members of INEG
reside in a thriving semi-controlled environment, but the real world is a lot
different.
Of course, reality has never been your strong suit.
On 14-Mar-99 jeff Williams wrote:
> Joop and all,
>
> Joop Teernstra wrote:
>
> > At 01:10 PM 3/13/99 +0000, "Jeff Williams" wrote:
> > >Esther and all,
> > >
> > > Pure nonsense Esther. And furthermore you know it is nonsense or
> > >should know. Almost Browsers have very advanced Graphics
> > >capability.
> > >
> > >Esther Dyson wrote:
> > >
> > >> .... basically, anything more complicated than e-mail or a graphics-free
> > >> Website is going to leave a lot of people out.
> > >>
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > For those who have moved beyond NY city or the highways of Texas, I'm
> > probably saying nothing new.
> > When have you last picked up a phone and heard:"Sorry, all circuits are
> > busy. Please dial again later."
> > Jeff, would you please consider this: If you happen to connect from outside
> > the capital in a less-developed country, do you realize that even email
> > trickles in at a speed of 1K per minute or sometimes even less?
>
> I live in a town that has less than 900 people in total population just
> north of Dallas. It is called Gunter Texas. I have never had the
> problem you are describing. In addition I own two other homes
> one in a small town in Colorado, known as Canyon City Colorado,
> about 14,000 in total population. I have called my property management
> fellow there frequently and never had this problem their either.
> I have relatives that live in NYC area, upstate NY, Fire Island, and
> in the Manhattan area as well. Same story there as well, I have never
> had the Sorry, all circuits are busy. Please dial again later", problem
> from their either. So, I am sorry I cannot find that your contention
> in this case is valid or reasonable to support Esthers contention.
>
> Now lets move on to your next point....
>
> >
> > Do you know that it takes between 15 and 20 minutes to see even a single
> > email message through a web page like hotmail?
>
> I sure didn't!! And where do you get this idea? From what service
> are you getting this kind of idea. Even on this two year old laptop
> I have never had that bad of performance.
>
> >
> > Most people connect through internet cafe's that do a roaring business, but
> > are dumbing down by the month.
>
> I am sorry Joop, this is categorically incorrect. AOL users alone account
> for about 47million users. They are not an Internet cafe!!
>
> > (Most new owners know nothing about the
> > internet, a far cry from the early days, when hobbyists ran the cafe's.)
> > Almost nobody has a local POP box, most newbies know only of web based
> > mail--graphics turned off.
>
> Most browsers sold or installed sense 1994 are by default, completely
> graphics ready. SO again I can't agree with your contention on this point
> either.
>
> >
> >
> > Esther is entirely right. Keep it simple, or you exclude "a lot of people".
>
> This is NOT what Esther said Joop, I am suprised at you! :(
> Esther said, "... basically, anything more complicated than e-mail or a
> graphics-free
> Website is going to leave a lot of people out." <---- This is much
> different to what you are contending. My response was precisely correct,
> direct, and to the point to this ludicrous statement that Esther made!!!
>
> Now, I realize that you are trying to be nice to Esther. And that is just
> fine.
> But when anyone in her position makes a absolute ludicrous statement
> that is well known to be non-factual it need to be pointed out, and STRONGLY
> so! If this is Esthers, and I hope not truly your, thinking, you are far
> behind the curve. In Esthers case, it is inexcusable....
>
> >
> >
> > >From the end of a very narrow pipe..
> >
> >
> > -Joop-
> > www.democracy.org.nz
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Contact Number: 972-447-1894
> Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
>
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E-Mail: William X. Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 14-Mar-99
Time: 00:00:35
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