Michael and all, Michael Dillon wrote: > On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Golan Klinger wrote: > > > Further, the US Department of Commerce has little power and no > > interest in this matter. > > Clearly you don't have a clue what is going on. The DOC stepped in and > prevented a competitive alternative TLD registry system from being > implemented last year. Now they have blessed ICANN as the entity to take > over management of Internet domain names and addresses. Yes the DOC through the NTIA certainly and correctly stepped in to prevent the gTLD-MoU/IAHC "Capture" attempt, which many of us know that you were an adamant supporter of. And a dam good thing that the USG did just exactly that. Now the ICANN is in process, but is also attempting a similar "Capture" attempt and are denying the requirements of the White Paper, and are facing more and more opposition every day from the Stakeholder community. > > > > As for ICANN, suffice it to say that your > > enthusiasm for this body (read would-be monopoly) is not catching. > > Enthusiasm? I wouldn't call it that. I'd call it a recognition of the > current reality. LOL! Yeah, I seem to remember you stating this very same thing with respect to the gTLD-MoU/IAHC as well. What a laugh! > > > > We are now in a situation where the responsibilty of running the > > Internic is to be handed over from a monopoly to an elitest group that are > > operating without input from the 'Internet community' at large. ICANN is, > > and you'll forgive my being blunt, a different dog with the same fleas. > > Huh? Has NSI ever travelled around the world holding open meetings with > the Internet community asking for input on how to do things better? No! > But ICANN has done so several times in its short existence. ANd representatives of NSI have been to every one of those meetings as well Michael. And thus far every one of those meetings has met with much disagreement as the press has quite accurately reported. > > > Does the Internic have any plans to allow the Internet community including > ISPs to be a part of its control structure? No. But ICANN does have such > plans and rather than being handed down from above, those plans are being > worked out by a wide range of individuals from the Internet community. This is patently untrue Michael and you know it is!!!! Please try to be honest! > > > Do the executive decisionmakers of NSI ever monitor or participate in > Internet mailing lists to discuss their actions? No. Again untrue, and I have cc'ed those that have participated on this reply so that they are aware of the untruths that you are telling here. > But the ICANN board > of directors does monitor several mailing lists and at least one board > member actively participates in discussions. Of the ICANN Board members that have sparingly participated, as is well documented on the archives of those lists (Domain-policy, IFWP, and [EMAIL PROTECTED]) only ONE board member, Esther Dyson has been participating. Again you are attempting as you have done many times in the past in your association with the IAHC/gTLD-MoU defunct process, misleading folks here.... > > > ICANN is not even the same kind of beast as Network Solutions. ICANN, like > every other organization on the planet, is not perfect and if you like > picking holes in things there are plenty of flaws that could be attacked. > But to call it a dog with the same fleas demonstrates either ignorance or > contempt for your audience. Not at all to state that the ICANN has the "Same Fleas" is really an understatement to say the least. > > > > The only way things are going to change, to really change, is with > > a grassroots movement. > > And where have you been this last 4 years? That's why the US government > stepped in and assigned the Dept. of Commerce to sort out this mess and > move towards a solution. ICANN is the vehicle that they have chosen to do > so. It has not chosen to do so yet. It has only endorsed the process, not endorsed the result as of yet. > You may dislike ICANN if you wish but you cannot deny that the US > government is overseeing and guiding ICANN with the intent that in about 2 > years time ICANN will be the prime authority for Internet domain names, IP > addresses and Internet protocol standards. This is not yet established, far from it. > > > Maybe some herculean effort could stop that train in its tracks. but I > think the wiser course of action is to apply a smaller amount of energy to > divert the train in a more beneficial direction. Ahhhh, so you are advocating a "Rali-Road" job are you Michael? > > > > This is directly attributable to human nature. There is always > > dissension when discussing hypotheticals but you would be amazed by how > > quickly people's differences are forgotten and how willing they are to act > > when a cataclysmic event occurs. [3] > > Then it obviously hasn't happened yet because too many folks are still > trying to score brownie points by attacking whatever plan seems to have > the most support. The problem is that there is NO plan that has even a modicum of support. > > > > Thus far, I have been unimpressed with the US government's ability > > to manage this situation. The NSI monopoly was to have ended sometime ago > > but the US government gave them an extension because they (the government) > > had not yet set up an organization to run the Internic. And as much as I > > hate to raise the topic of nationalism, the Internet is no longer a US pet > > project and as such, they shouldn't hold the leash. > > Somebody has to hold the leash. And most other countries including Canada, > Australia, Japan and the European Community have already agreed to let the > USA hold the leash on the condition that they form an organization called > ICANN with a specific mission to take over the management duties in about > two years. At that point in time, the leash is removed and ICANN will be > controlled by its member organizations including ISPs. Yeah right... We shall see... > > > -- > Michael Dillon - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Check the website for my Internet World articles - http://www.memra.com > > - > Send 'unsubscribe' in the body to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' to leave. > Eat sushi frequently. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the human contact address. Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
