On 27-Mar-99 Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
> Roeland
>
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Roeland M.J. Meyer"
> writes:
>
> > Aw come-on doc. There is nothing illegal about it. There is no way, in a
> > free society, that this can ever be illegal.
>
> Why is this list full of people who negate the facts of life?
Actually, Dr Lisse, I must agree with Roland here.
> > I, for one, have no problems sending to the LIST TLD.
>
> Personally, I could not care less whether you can stand on your head
> or can send mail to .ZOO, .WEB, .LIST.
>
> They are not in the root. Repat after me: They are not in the root!
> And if you didn't get it, THEY ARE NOT IN THE ROOT!!!
And the fault for that lies with.........(hint: it's not ORSC or Richard)
> The name has nothing to do with it.
>
> > As regards the error message (a bit more serious, I agree), I
> > believe that sendmail can be configured to re-route to a smart-relay
> > hub. I don't know about postfix (your mailer). The problem is
> > finding a hub that a) knows about the TLD, and b) will let you relay
> > through it. Alternatively, you can carry the zone files
> > yourself. The problem wrt b) is that the spammers have pretty much
> > caused relaying to be a four-letter word equivalent. So, finding b)
> > is actually harder than finding a).
>
> Roeland, it is evident that you have no idea what you are talking about.
> But then this is the DNS list, who has?
>
> In case your attention span is short: They are not in the root!
They are not in the USG controlled root, that is true, but what is the reason
they are not in that root, Dr Lisse? Could it be because IANA initially, and
then the USG, have effectively blocked access to the root? And we have all
seen the result of a single source monopoly registry, yet ICANN chooses to
perpetrate this injustice further by not urgently pressing forward for any new
gTLDs for 2 MORE years.
> I could not give a flying lewd act about smart hosts and relays and
> all.
>
> The problem is NOT a) and b) as above.
>
> The problem is that *I* make that choice, NOT them.
And you made the choice not to resolve those domains. Just as many ISPs have
made the choice not to resolve .cc domains because of the plethora of spam sent
from them a while back. You have made a conscious election not to resolve
those domains, Dr Lisse, despite being made aware of a way that you CAN.
Don't blame Richard, Roland, me, ORSC, or anyone else because of a choice YOU
have made. Many ISPs are making a choice to resolve them, Dr Lisse, and I
expect that number to grow.
> Nevermind that a) and b) have nothing to do with the problem at hand
> actually. The solution to avoid ths problem is trivial, by the way
>
> My MTA will not resolve it. It doesn't have to. No RFC requires me to
> have to misconfigure my properly configured software, they must
> configure their misconfigured software properly.
No RFC requires me to resolve .na, but I elect to. No RFC requires those ISPs
who elected to from denying lookups for networksolutions.com after their
actions last weekend. Your DECISION to configure your software this way is
totally your right, but don't blame us when you have problems reaching those
addresses.
> I really don't mind ORSC's cuckoo land, they can send me mail from the
> .MOON as much as I care, as long as they respond properly to the MTA's
> rejection.
I fail to see why you are singling out ORSC here. As a network operator, I
have ELECTED to install a root zone of my choosing, and it was my decision that
this root zone would be the one pulled from the ORSC staging root. Richard and
others have made the same individual decisions, and it is our right.
I have no issue with you Dr. Lisse, and your comments and opinions in this
process have been something I have personally appreciated and respected. You
have made certain decisions about the operation of the network you control, and
the TLD you administer. Some of those decisions I do not agree with, and I
might not have done them the same way. But I for one would never belittle you
for making those choices.
Why you chose to belittle those who have decided to make this choice, I fail to
understand.
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William X. Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
General Manager, DSo Internet Services
Date: 27-Mar-99
Time: 02:33:27
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