Hello Esther,
While your stated goals are admirable,
they are not sufficient.
As I've written to you before, the timing
of the formation of these constituencies
is critical.
If only a handful get approved initially,
then *they* will determine the policies
for the entire DNSO via the Names Council.
How will the ICANN Board address this
potentially biased outcome.
Jay.
At 04:58 PM 5/9/99 , Esther Dyson wrote:
>We understand your concerns. But as you say below, we are looking for
>"sectorial self-regulation and organization." If it is lacking, we will take
>what steps are necessary to ensure that each constituency is appropriately
>open - or that there is am "opposite" constituency to balance it.
>
>Esther
>
>At 10:12 AM 07/05/99 +0200, Manuel Hurtado wrote:
>>Dear Esther,
>>
>>What we meant is that the draft was not out for the public comment before May
>>3rd. If it had been there and had been commented and negociated, as other
>>drafts for other constituencies have been, the ISP community might have
>>reached and agreement that is now very difficult. This attitude has palced
>>us in a very difficult situation, as there is no time to present
>>"competing" drafts, which we do not believe is a good solution either.
>>
>>I will try to attend the Berlin meeting, but I am against on-site
>>negotiations, as they would exclude most of the ISP community. The ISP
>>constituency should follow and open and transparent process similar to the
>>one that has been followed by other constituencies. It is painfull to see
>>that this proposal forces ICANN to be the one to decide, instead of allowing
>>sectorial self-regulation and organization. If we have read the ICANN
>>chapter correctly, ICANN can not accept a constituency that has not followed
>>that process and that clearly does not represent the community is has been
>>called to represent. ICANN should assure that and agreement is reached by
>>the professional ISP community, not allowing capture by a handfull of
>>organizations.
>>
>>Manuel Hurtado
>>President
>>ISP Commission
>>ASIMELEC-www.asimelec.es
>>-----Mensaje original-----
>>De: Esther Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Para: Manuel Hurtado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Joe Sims
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mike Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Fecha: jueves, 06 de mayo de 1999 16:47
>>Asunto: Re: ISP Constituency DNSO
>>
>>
>>You are certainly allowed to make public comments, and indeed you are doing
>>so now. Thank you! We will post them for you. We hope you will send a
>>representative to the meeting in Berlin, as well.
>>
>>Esther Dyson
>>
>>At 02:38 PM 06/05/99 +0200, Manuel Hurtado wrote:
>>>Dear Directors nad Staff of ICANN,
>>>
>>>ASIMELEC is very sad to see that some ISP organizations, without further
>>consultation, are trying to capture the ISP Constituency of the DNSO.
>>>
>>>ASIMELEC is a trade organisation that represents ISP�s that cover over 85%
>>of Internet traffic in Spain, (85% of over 2,000,000 users). Nevertheless,
>>we have not been consulted on the formation of the ISP Constituency, nor
>>have been allowed to make public comments, nor to enter the group of funding
>>organisation of the DNSO ISP Constituency, as not documents have been made
>>public before this time. Please see the comments below to the proposed ISP
>>Constituency.
>>>
>>>*The ISP proposal that has been presented has been secretly prepared by the
>>organisations that have signed it, without solicitation of public comments,
>>nor allowing any other organisation to join in.
>>>
>>>*They reserve the right to accept other organisations, on their own
>>judgement.
>>>
>>>*The rules for acceoting individual ISP�s are unclear, (because of
>>language), but we are afraid that they exclude small ISP�s. The "founding
>>members" are the only judges of what is acceptable.
>>>
>>>*The "founding members" give themselves three months to accept candidates.
>>This allows them time to hold elections to Names Council representatives
>>before they have to accept anybody.
>>>
>>>*Their Chapter says that Associations will represent.................,
>>making it very unclear who might become a NC representative.
>>>
>>>*We believe that this candidacy is not prepared to be accepted by ICANN as
>>it is, and -as there is no time to present new ones- no candidacy for ISP�s
>>should be accepted by ICANN at this meeting, as there is not enough time to
>>carry on an open and trasparent process to create a chapter and a fair ISP
>>Constituency. We prefer to have to have no ISP industry representation at
>>this time, if this means assuring fair representation in the future.
>>>
>>>Manuel Hurtado
>>>President
>>>ISP Commission
>>>ASIMELEC-www.asimelec.es
>>>
>>>
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>>><DIV><FONT size=2>Dear Directors nad Staff of ICANN,</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT size=2>ASIMELEC is very sad to see that some ISP organizations,
>>>without further consultation, are trying to capture the ISP Constituency of
>>the
>>>DNSO.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT size=2>ASIMELEC is a trade organisation that represents ISP�s
>>that
>>>cover over 85% of Internet traffic in Spain, (85% of over 2,000,000 users).
>>>Nevertheless, we have not been consulted on the formation of the ISP
>>>Constituency, nor have been allowed to make public comments, nor to enter
>>the
>>>group of funding organisation of the DNSO ISP Constituency, as not
>>documents
>>>have been made public before this time. Please see the comments below to
>>the
>>>proposed ISP Constituency.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT size=2>*The ISP proposal that has been presented has been
>>secretly
>>>prepared by the organisations that have signed it, without solicitation of
>>>public comments, nor allowing any other organisation to join
>>in.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT size=2>*They reserve the right to accept other organisations, on
>>>their own judgement.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT size=2>*The rules for acceoting individual ISP�s are unclear,
>>>(because of language), but we are afraid that they exclude small ISP�s. The
>>>"founding members" are the only judges of what is acceptable.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT size=2>*The "founding members" give themselves three months to
>>accept
>>>candidates. This allows them time to hold elections to Names Council
>>>representatives before they have to accept anybody.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT size=2>*Their Chapter says that Associations will
>>>represent................., making it very unclear who might become a NC
>>>representative.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT size=2>*We believe that this candidacy is not prepared to be
>>accepted
>>>by ICANN as it is, and -as there is no time to present new ones- no
>>>candidacy for ISP�s should be accepted by ICANN at this meeting, as there
>>is not
>>>enough time to carry on an open and trasparent process to create a
>>chapter
>>>and a fair ISP Constituency. We prefer to have to have no ISP industry
>>>representation at this time, if this means assuring fair representation in
>>the
>>>future.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT size=2>Manuel Hurtado</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT size=2>President</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT size=2>ISP Commission</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT size=2>ASIMELEC-www.asimelec.es
>>><DIV> </DIV>
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>>>
>>
>>
>>Esther Dyson Always make new mistakes!
>>chairman, EDventure Holdings
>>interim chairman, Internet Corp. for Assigned Names & Numbers
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>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Esther Dyson Always make new mistakes!
>chairman, EDventure Holdings
>interim chairman, Internet Corp. for Assigned Names & Numbers
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>1 (212) 924-8800
>1 (212) 924-0240 fax
>104 Fifth Avenue (between 15th and 16th Streets; 20th floor)
>New York, NY 10011 USA
>http://www.edventure.com http://www.icann.org
>
>High-Tech Forum in Europe: 24 to 26 October 1999, Budapest
>PC Forum: March 2000, Scottsdale (Phoenix), Arizona
>Book: "Release 2.0: A design for living in the digital age"
>
Respectfully,
Jay Fenello
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