>Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:54:18 -0400 (EDT) >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: BOUNCE [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Non-member submission from [Don Heath ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > >>From isoc.org!heath Wed Jun 2 14:54:16 1999 >Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Received: from out4.ibm.net([165.87.194.239]) (9124 bytes) by ns1.vrx.net > via sendmail with P:smtp/D:aliases/T:pipe > (sender: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) > id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:51:27 -0400 (EDT) > (Smail-3.2.0.100 1997-Dec-8 #2 built 1997-Dec-18) >Received: from newlatitude (slip-202-135-60-200.to.jp.ibm.net [202.135.60.200]) by >out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA172846; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:34:38 GMT >Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) >Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 04:30:05 +0900 >To: Michael Sondow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ICANN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From: Don Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Slanders and impostures >Cc: Esther Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Paul Twomey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Nikki Vajrabukka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > George Conrades <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Greg Crew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Frank Fitzsimmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Hans Kraaijenbrink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Professor Jun Marai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Geraldine Capdeboscq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Eugenio Triana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > "Linda S. 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Rodriguez Milla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeff Graber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Courtney Macavinta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Howard Sartori <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Kathryn Kleiman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Barbara Dooley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > "Bret A. Fausett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Francis Gurry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > "Lidia Carlos-Silvetti (ERAD)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Committee on Trade and Development <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Trade and Development Center <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > "DNSO.association.org" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Joop Teernstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], > Ignacio Vera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > Vany Martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], > Dave Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Barbara Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >At 09:16 AM 6/2/99 -0400, Michael Sondow wrote: >>Mr. Heath, >> >>It has come to our attention that ISOC is conducting out of the >>public view a smear campaign, spreading malicious and slanderous >>lies about me, my organization the ICIIU, and its supporters, >>apparently for the purpose of breaking our solidarity and commitment >>so that we will abandon the Non-Commercial Domain Name Holders >>Constituency of the DNSO to ISOC, something which, by the way, we >>have no intention of doing. Could you please tell us, Mr. Heath, if >>these cowardly actions by ISOC are those of people trying to, in >>your words, "work together" towards a "compromise"? > >Michael > >First, let me say that I have edited, slightly, your cc list, removing >the Vice President, Mr. Al Gore, the Senators and Congressmen and women, >and other government officials who undoubtedly have more important >things on their minds. > >[To the remainder, I am sorry for this type of counterproductive waste, >but I will respond just this once.] > >While I don't believe this email even deserves a response, I will do >so regardless, because of the blatant untruth of its contents. It >is the only time I will do so, as I said. > >Michael, there is no smear campaign at all. Period. A smear campaign >would require that it be widely dispersed, much like what you are doing >here, and that there would be untrue things stated, much like I believe >you are attempting here. > >I must admit, Michael, that I am reminded of the old phrase that goes >something along the lines of the pot calling the kettle black. > >Why must you revert to this kind of tactic? You have constantly attempted >to smear ISOC. Why? > >Let me make this perfectly clear: > >ISOC intends to be a facilitator in the formation of the non commercial >constituency, only. We are looking for no long term role in it once it >is appropriately and properly formed. Period. > >> >>Perhaps you could also explain to us, Mr. Heath, why ISOC has given >>its NCDNHC organizing campaign into the hands of Mr. David Maher, a >>person who is not a non-commercial domain name holder. Mr. Maher is, >>to my knowledge, a trademark lawyer employed by IBM and a member of >>a domain name registrar's association, CORE. Either of these >>functions should automatically disqualify Mr. Maher as a >>spokesperson for non-commercial domain name holders, and even as a >>member of the NCDNHC. > >ISOC has not put anything into the hands of anyone. David Maher is >a representative of one of the organizations that is participating >in the formation of the non commercial constituency. As long as >his organization fits the requirements of membership, he has as much >a right to express himself and work toward consensus as anyone else. >As a self organizing group, the group itself decides what organizations >qualify. > >> >>As to Mr. Maher's affiliation with the entity named POC, which >>figures on ISOC's list of supporting organizations, we have been >>informed that POC was an advisory council to a coalition named the >>International Ad Hoc Committee, or IAHC, an organism which is now >>defunct, and POC with it. However, even if this so-called POC still >>existed, it has no domain name, non-commercial or otherwise, and no >>website, and thus can in no way be considered a non-commercial >>domain name holder. >> >>Mr. David Maher has therefore no claim whatsoever to participation >>in the organization of the Non-Commercial Domain Name Holders >>Constituency. >> >>The ICIIU is willing and anxious to collaborate with any and all >>legitimate non-commercial domain name holding entities in the >>organization of the NCDNHC. But it is not possible to collaborate >>with people who slander and malign us with malicious and deceitful >>lies, as the ISOC leadership is apparently doing in private while >>pretending in public to "work together". Nor will we accept that the >>NCDNHC be infiltrated by impostors. > >Michael - Please reread this paragraph above. And, why not read >most of your other post of a similar nature. This is what I mean by >the pot calling the kettle black. You are going out of your way to >wrongfully malign ISOC. What you say is simply untrue. > >Rather than get frustrated and rant, why don't you participate constructively? > >Kindest regards, >Don > >> >>Michael Sondow >> >>============================================================ >> "We need to be able to judge which is more important - the >> images on the screen, the mechanisms that produce them, or >> the world that they are striving to represent." >> >> --Oscar Kenshur, in 'The Allure of the Hybrid' >>============================================================ >>International Congress of Independent Internet Users (ICIIU) >> http://www.iciiu.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>============================================================ >> >> > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remember, amateurs built the Ark. Professionals built the Titanic.
