i believe your recollection is wrong here ivan...

what i believe was stated in the meeting was that registrars representing
cctlds registries were welcome to join the constituencies and involve themselves
in creation of  input for  establishing recommendations for  policies and
procedures for icann PROVIDING  their  specific registries were willing to
commit themselves and the registrars within their specific registry to adhering
to those policies and practices.

the majority of the cctlds i am aware of are not willing to submit themselves
nor their registrars to this process nor recognize icanns role as it relates to
setting procedures for registrars who work within their specific cctld (please
correct me if i am wrong here dennis jennings or anyone who feels qualified to
speak to this subject) .  it would then follow that they should not be entitled
to a role in creation of policies or procedures that they were not obligated to
recognize , adhere to or follow within their own specific registry.

that would be equivalent to a us citizen being allowed involvement  and related
voting rights  on legislation which governs the citizens of the netherlands or
ireland and then having the right  to  disavow and abide by the laws he or she
created.

this does not mean that registrar input from these people would not be welcomed
as they represent a "wealth of experience and knowledge" but is does indicate
that there is no logical basis for allowing them votes in creation of these
policies and procedure recommendations.

why should anyone be allowed to help create rules and procedures and then have
the right to disavow responsibility for following the rules and procedures he
helped to create.

ken stubbs



Ivan Pope wrote:

> > Alright, so let me understand this. Only ICANN accredited registrars
> > may be in the registrar constituency ?
> >
> > In other words only com/net/org registrars (of which there are
> > under 200) can be part of that constituency?
>
> Well, in Berlin I sat in the Registrars meeting and told them this was
> ridiculous, but there was no support. In fact, there was a patronising
> response.
> However, in the General meeting, the concept that only Accredited Registrars
> could be in the constituency was received with disbelief.
> Ivan
>
> > Not to put too fine a point on it, but 1/7th of the names council
> > for *all* the DNS of this world is competing NSI registrars ?
> >
> > Huh ?
> >
> > >Attachment Converted: C:\INCOMING\MAIL\ALTERNIC\pic32202.pcx
> >
> > Joe, any chance you could use a mail program that:
> >
> > 1) Does quoting properly
> > 2) Doesn't redistribute graphics files with every letter you send
> > 3) Makes it easy for you to type a reply at the bottom instead of
> > at the top ? Your letrers are really hard to parse.
> >
> > --
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]    [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > The old man was asked, why were these men and boys willing to
> > stand up to the
> > mightiest army in the world? Was it the taxes on tea and
> > other imports? No, he
> > said. Was it the thinking from all the great books coming
> > from Europe? No, books
> > were rare and precious things which most couldn't afford.
> > Then, he was asked again,
> > WHY? His answer was... "Because they were of a mind to govern
> > us and we were of a
> > mind to govern ourselves."
> >

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