On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Ronda Hauben wrote: > ICANN is illegal and the U.S. government's effort to create > ICANN is unconstitutional. > > Is the Government Corporate Control Act law online? If so where? All US statutes are online in many places. I like the search form at http://www.findlaw.com/casecode/code.html 31 usc 9102 is at http://law2.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t29t32+2229+0++31%20usc%209102 > I will take a look at your article when I get the chance, but have > you looked at the opinion issued on the illegality of the FCC > schools and libraries corporation? > I had not. I thank you for it. Its dicta suggests I was a little too pessimistic and literal in my reading of the GCCA. On the other hand, the critical fact difference between that case and this one is that the RCCA admitted it had been created by the FCC. I don't think ICANN is going to admit it was formed by the DOC, although it might be interesting to ask that question under oath.... Furthermore, the tight relationship between the RCCA was reflected in many of the foundational documents. As the GAO put it: "The certificate of incorporation of the Rural Health Care Corporation specifies that the purpose of the corporation ". . . is defined in the Federal Communications Commission's . . . rules at 47 C.F.R. � 69.618, as it exists today and as it may be amended." The certificate of incorporation further states that the corporation may engage in other activities "so long as it is consistent with FCC Orders and Rules." 6 In its letter to our Office of January 5, the Commission stated that it did not envision these entities "operating outside the scope of the activities set forth in the Commission's orders." Commission letter at 9. Under Commission rules the boards of directors of these entities are comprised of members either selected or approved by the Chairman of the Commission. The size and composition of the boards is set by the Commission, as is the term of office. The Commission Chairman must approve the removal of any director as well as a resolution to dissolve the Corporation. The Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of these corporations must be approved by the Chairman of the Commission. Authority to enter into contracts must be in compliance with Commission rules. All of these requirements have been included in the corporations' by-laws. Authority to Establish the Corporations." While the same may not have been true of the charter of the schools and libraries corp, it appears that the FCC picked members of the board of that body also. ICANN would claim (with some justice) that it is considerably more independent de jure, and also de facto. Unless the articles of incorporation say 'we exist to do what the DOC wants' (which is unlikely), the only issue will be what people thought they were doing.... And we see the outlines of that in http://com-notes.house.gov/cchear/hearings106.nsf/b2cc6be46b2b2d2285256720007e4972/89227d363b2c70c58525679800537265/$FILE/doc.pdf Unless you are prepared to say people are lying -- and I have seen no evidence of that -- it still doesn't look like you would be able to persuade a court. At least, it would be very hard, since the essence of the claim would be that there was a lot of nudge and wink going on. Even if it were true, and I am not saying it is, it would be very hard to prove without a whistle-blower. That said, it would still be interesting to know who selected the current ICANN Board.... > >You will note there that most of the corporations the GCCA aimed to squash > >were formed by US government employees and owned in whole or part by the > >USG. ICANN is different: no USG employees formed it, and the USG owns none > > Postel, whose name all was being done in was U.S. government contractor > when ICANN was incorporated and essentially it was in his name > that the bylaws etc were supposedly all done. Just being a contractor clearly doesn't bring you within the GCCA. It takes more. Otherwise no defense contractor would ever be able to create a subsidiary. > > And the Schools and Libraries Corporation that the FCC tried > to create wasn't the kind of example you give. > > In fact it is the opposite. The fact that the U.S. government is > creating a so called private corporation to do government > activity means that the people involved in ICANN become government > functionaries, as they are acting under the color of the law > guiding what U.S. government entities have to do. > > You are turning the law on its head. You are claiming that > if someone isn't a U.S. government employee, but the U.S. government > creates a corporation for him to do public business as a private > entity than that is ok. No, I think if that is what happened it is a lousy precedent and may be a violation of the separation of powers and the Carter Coal doctrine. But what I think and what I think I can get a court to think are not always the same. That said, the GAO report you note (viewable at http://frwebgate4.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate.cgi?WAISdocID=941858450+0+1+0&WAISaction=retrieve for anyone else interested), certainly suggests that there's potentially a good arguable case here, **depending on what the facts actually are**. I stress that we don't know that for sure (which is itself an issue). I've cut the rest of your post. Since the APA didn't apply to this the government had no obligation to listen to anyone, including you. That's a bug, not a feature, as regards good government, but it's pretty clearly the law. -- A. Michael Froomkin | Professor of Law | [EMAIL PROTECTED] U. Miami School of Law, P.O. Box 248087, Coral Gables, FL 33124 USA +1 (305) 284-4285 | +1 (305) 284-6506 (fax) | http://www.law.tm --> It's hot here. <--
Re: [IFWP] quasi-government role of ICANN illegal under U.S. law
Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:10:07 -0700
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