>From:    Ken Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [IFWP] European Commission to investigate NSI

>i wonder how many people believe that your little pet ICIIU or IDNO with its
>ALMOST 150 members WORLDWIDE speak for the internet users of the world
>
>ken stubbs

Hello Ken,

You credit us with too many members. The IDNO membership stands around 120,
mostly originating from the very active core (pun intended) of the
discussion lists around the ifwp. 
The rest of the DN holders simply do not know that there is anyone speaking
on their behalf. Not yet.

This is how all grass-roots representative movements begin.
How else do you propose to start?
Would you rather let registrars or registries speak for their customers?
Or any of the other special interest groups?
Real self-organizing is not the same as taking an existing organization and
telling the world "we are representative of the DN holders".
For an organization founded in April 1999, less  than 4 months ago, we've
self-organized rather well.
Watch us grow after Santiago.

Your idea is to reconstitute the MAC, but now with registries and
registrars included.("include reps from all 3 support organizations, all
constituencies and perspectives")
In other words, if you can't beat them, try to dilute them.

A BAD idea that will only serve to prolong the exclusion of the individual
DN holders from the DNSO and increase their frustration at seeing decisions
being made in the DNSO  without their participation.
The at large ICANN members need a different representation than the Domain
Name owners.  They too have legitimate concerns, but those concerns are
different. 
In Europe, their concern is metered local calls. In Asia, it is access and
bandwidth. 
Users are concerned with telco's and ISP's.
Domain Name Owners are concerned with due process, registries, IP lobbies
and ICANN's use of it's powers.






--Joop Teernstra LL.M.--  , bootstrap  of
the Cyberspace Association,
the constituency for Individual Domain Name Owners
http://www.idno.org

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