Some interesting information of another list which should be shared here. Curious if anyone has a rebuttal. Regards Joe Baptista ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:12:32 -0800 From: Roeland M. J. Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: '!Dr. Joe Baptista' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: IP address holders - are they represented? No. The ASO is designed solely to represent the RIRs. It has never been represented otherwise. As the owner/controller of a number of C-blocks I have bene concerned about this for some time. However, becasue of DNS, this isn't as visible. But hten, the RIRs don't really control the IP space anyway, the big-8 do. Most of then will not advertise routes less than /20 unless you specifically pay (a lot) for the privilege and there is nothing the RIRs can do about it. I've heard that this causes some degree of frustration, within the RIRs.<g> There is a point, where infrastructure costs are paid-for/owned, where all of this public-trust non-sense becomes moot. The major carriers have paid for, at their own expense, massive amounts of bandwidth (you think it grows on trees??!?) They sell this to us. Beyond this simple statement, it gets very tricky. I have never been a CIDR fan, but I didn't like the previous plan either (class-ful routing). Not having any better ideas for either, I've not said anything, other than to express disatisfaction with both. Even IETF has not been able to improve the state-of-the-art here.(Big clue: I will resist any attempts to nationalize the carriers). --- R O E L A N D M . J . M E Y E R CEO, Morgan Hill Software Company, Inc. An eCommerce and eBusiness practice providing products and services for the Internet. Tel: (925)373-3954 Fax: (925)373-9781 -----Original Message----- From: Owner-Domain-Policy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of !Dr. Joe Baptista Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 1:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IP address holders - are they represented? I am increasingly concerned that the ASO has no means of representing indivudual ipv4 holders. The virtual infrastructure is represented, but those people who operate the ipv4 structure (ipv4 holders) have no representation whatsoever in the "bottoms up" ICANN process. Am i wrong in making this conclusion? Regards Joe Baptista
