>Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: BOUNCE [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Non-member submission from [[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ronda >Hauben)] >Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:37:50 -0400 (EDT) > >>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jul 25 11:37:49 2000 >Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Received: from umcc.ais.org (w197.z208176209.det-mi.dsl.cnc.net [208.176.209.197]) > by ns1.vrx.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F018F018 > for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:37:47 -0400 (EDT) >Received: by umcc.ais.org > via send-mail with stdio > id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:37:41 -0400 (EDT) > (Smail-3.2.0.93 1997-Apr-12 #3 built 1997-Apr-19) >Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:37:41 -0400 (EDT) >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ronda Hauben) >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: pfir response > >response sent to nettime and to PFIR on their statement > >>From ronda Mon Jul 24 10:58:39 2000 >Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:58:28 -0400 (EDT) >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ronda Hauben) >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: <nettime> PFIR Statement on Internet Policies, Regulations, and Control >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Bcc: > > > >> PFIR Statement on Internet Policies, Regulations, and Control > >Where is there a way to focus and welcome discussion on any of this? > >It is good to see the recognition that ICANN is an anti-model for >Internet governance. > >But in order to not just end up with a next generation ICANN it >is important to sort out the problems that ICANN represents, >and the principles needed to protect the vital functions of the >Internet infrastructure from "vested interests" > >>It is increasingly clear that the Internet, as embodied by the World Wide >>Web and a wide variety of other Net-based services and technologies is >>rapidly becoming a critical underpinning and foundation to virtually every >>aspect of our lives, from the very fundamental to the exceedingly mundane. > >The Internet is *not* embodied by the World Wide Web but is a general >purpose interactive human computer communications system. > >This is crucial to keep in mind and to rocognize. > >The efforts to deny the general purpose nature of the Internet >and the interactive nature of the Internet is at some of the >basis of the problem with the conception of ICANN which has >been created to protect certain very narrow vested interests. > >>It is likely that few aspects of commerce, education, communications, >>government, entertainment, or any other facets of our daily existence will >>be unaffected by this exceedingly rapid change that is sweeping the globe >>far more rapidly than would have been anticipated only a few years ago. > >Somehow this is secondary. > >The point is that the Internet is a unique new system and one >that needs to be understood as something new, not as only an >improvement of something old. > > >>These global and interconnected developments, unprecedented in human >>history, suggest that decisions regarding policies, regulation, control, and >>related Internet activities will be of crucial concern to the *entire* >>world's population. Consequently, the proper representation of many varied >>interests regarding such activities must be respected. > >Good to see the acknowledgment that the "entire" world's population >has an interest in the future of the Internet. But then one can't >go and try to talk about "proper representation". > >The issue, instead, which a 1997 U.S. government report pointed out >is that there is a public interest involved. > >This is different from representing different vested interests in >a so called "proper representation" way. > >To determine how to fulfill the public interest one must go outside >of those with a vested interest. > > >So there is a need to determine how to serve the "public interest" >and to contain and protect against the "vested interests". > >Unfortunately the proposal you put forward still includes the >"vested interests" only it enlarges the circle of these. > >I want to recommend that Lauren and Peter and others interested >in the problem of how to provide the needed institutional form >to protect the vital functions of the Internet's infrastructure >look at the proposal I submitted to Ira Magaziner at his request >and then to the U.S. Department of Commerce before they even >had the ICANN proposal. > >My proposal is up at the NTIA web site and also at both of >my web sites. It is called "The Internet an International Public >Treasure" and it is online at >http://www.columbia.edu/~rh120/other/dns_proposal.txt > >It is also online at http://www.ais.org/~ronda > >I identify the problem that has to be solved, whereas I don't >feel the PFIR statement does. And that problem is how to protect >the vital functions of the Internet from the vested interests. > >How to have these vital functions adminstered in a way that >will serve the long term interests of the Internet and its >users around the world, all of them. > >To do this there has to be a way to protect those doing the adminstration >from the vested interests who have narrow self interests they are >trying to serve. > >It won't help to put all of the vested interests into an organization >and give them representative rights. The problem to be solved is >how to protect the organization from them, not how to give them >the ability to exerciese their power. > >Also my proposal describes how to do this, and the way is in line >with the way that the Internet was born and reared. And that >is to create a working prototype based on the needs and to have >it function in the most open way possible and online as much >as possible. And then to see if that prototype does what is >needed, and if so to build on it. And if not, to learn from the >experience, to build a new and better prototype. > > >Also my proposal is that computer scientists supported by their >governments be the people who build this prototype, not business >people or others who don't have a way to understand the nature >of the technology and science that has made it possible to create >the Internet and to have it spread around the world. > >It would be good to see some means of discussing my original proposal >to the Dept of Commerce, as part of any broader discussion that >goes on about what is needed to protect the vital functions of >the Internet's infrastructure. > >I welcome comments and discussion on my proposal "The Internet >An International Public Treasure" and invite >people to disseminate it or to help find a means to give it the >needed public discussion and exploration it should have. > >Cheers > >Ronda >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://www.ais.org/~ronda > > > > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ph-1.613.473.1719 It's about travel on expense accounts to places with good beer. - BKR
