Nathan's arguments prompted me to create a twitter account. "I am so far behind on everything it isn't even funny. I do not see a win in my immediate future."
You better get back to work Nathan. On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 13:37 -0400, Nathan Hamiel wrote: > Not everyone owns a computer, and some people are still illiterate. More > > so when you start talking about third world countries. Think about the > > majority of the populations of the countries who's governments were > > overthrown :) > > > > Yea, that started because of social networks. People who did have computers > got their neighbors who didn't involved. > > > > > Social networks (love them or hate them) have connected the world it a > > > way not thought possible before. You may be feeling a certain way > > > about the government or your living conditions and have no idea that > > > thousands of people around you also feel the same way. Then you find > > > out that all over your country feel the same way. You may have kept it > > > to yourself. You may not have been aware that the government dragged > > > someone a few blocks away out of their house kicking and screaming > > > never to be seen again. That's the power of socially connecting to > > > people on the Internet. Hell, most news stories are broken on Twitter > > > before you see them on the evening news. These facts are pretty > > > undeniable. I would like to see a papyrus do that ;) > > > > The reference two how news comes about these days is part of what I > > dislike about the social networks. To be a news person used to involved > > a process, that now anyone with a means to communicate simulate. Without > > having to do the work, vet leads, etc. It has also lead to various > > retractions in legit media. > > > > News as I was referring to is not "reported news" or "journalistic new", > although sometimes that is what it is. It could be that a Tsunami just it or > that someone is giving a talk at a certain time. It's all technically news > although not all newsworthy, if that makes sense. Just because it isn't > newsworthy doesn't mean it isn't news. > > > > > Why does that make you proud? I am always surprised when people say > > > things like this. There is no way to really know the value of a social > > > network until you use it. > > > > There is no way to know the long term impacts of socialization being > > public. That which can help you today, could potentially hurt you > > tomorrow. > > > > Not all social networking is public. I would almost venture to say that not > connecting socially could hurt you tomorrow. So far from all I have seen the > benefits far outweigh the drawbacks in many cases. Say for instance in the > unlikely event someone loses a job, their connections could open doors for > them. Many jobs never get posted out because of referrals. That's just one > case in particular. Your social presence could actually benefit people as > well as you gaining benefit from them. I know, I know, that's in a perfect > world. There are always asshats out there, but still there are many > benefits. > > > > > The value of your social network experience is based on who you are > > > connected to as well as your contributions back to it. I realize this > > > is hard for you to understand because you haven't participated but I > > > think you would be surprised. > > > > Yes, and I know people who have lost their jobs and had other major > > problems in life they never considered at first. I value what little > > privacy I have left in this world. Every day there is less and less of > > that. > > > > Once again, it's you sharing the data. If you have a bunch of pictures of > yourself smoking a bowl on your social network, then yea there may be > some repercussions. > > > Often I see things on twitter days and sometimes weeks before it ends > > > up on something like Slashdot. What about things that would be useful > > > to you that might not make it to something like Slashdot? > > > > Even prior to the rise of social networks, I did not live on Slashdot. I > > rarely pay any attention to it, and it has no effect on my world or > > bubble :) > > > > You know, I just thought of something I think it has to do with the speed > and delivery of information. In the security world minutes count. Knowing > something first can mean you are better protected or better at exploitation. > The jobs security people have today probably won't be the jobs we have in 4 > or 5 years. Maybe it's that speed and need for adaptation that makes this > style of communication so attractive. Not many jobs have that requirement or > have things change almost daily. > > > > > > In some ways by not being a Twitter user you are losing out. In some > > > ways participating in Twitter allows you to directly connect with > > > developers of a project or other experts in your field. > > > > I have been in the trenches for years, we have a great invention called > > IRC. I communicate and work with people all over the world. Its how > > Gentoo operates, and most distros with distributed developer bases. > > > > I am going to throw my second Wow of the day in here. You just compared > Twitter to IRC. They have two totally different purposes. Otherwise people > wouldn't use IRC and also have Twitter accounts. IRC is basically just group > chatting. First of all, only a small amount of people even use IRC. > Secondly, people are more mobile than they have ever been so they are > constantly on their mobile devices. Only a handful of sadists use IRC on > their phone ;) IRC still serves a purpose but it is antiquated and from a > different generation. It's like using a landline from a hand-crank phone and > then blurting something out to the operator. Ok so it's not that bad, but > the point is you aren't going to get breaking news from IRC. 3rd people in > IRC channels are usually there for a purpose and that purpose may be short > lived. I have problem X, problem X gets solved and now log off. > > Also what about projects you care about and decision makers a vast majority > of these people aren't on IRC. You can follow them on Twitter and get > insights in to what they are working on. What about something simple such as > getting updates about something you use. For example, Dropbox. I use Dropbox > sometimes they will Tweet if they have an outage or if they are working on > some cool new feature. That is a benefit that you just can't get from > something like IRC. They are WILDLY different and made for two different > purposes. > > > > > > Linus did not need Twitter, or any social network to make Linux into > > what it is today. Most all that preceded what exists today. > > > > Wow <- That's my third of the day. Just think about if Twitter existed back > then. The landscape may be drastically different than we see today. There > may have been an appeal from many more people. Just think of the industrial > revolution, we survived perfectly fine prior to that but look how much we > advanced afterward. > > > > > Take the security community for instance, you may find out about new > > > tools an techniques long before other people find out about them. You > > > may even find information that his helpful that never gets published > > > to a news aggregator. I turn a lot of security people on to Twitter > > > for these very same reasons. > > > > Security stuff has no business being out in the open. Some aspects as > > mentioned are good, others are not. Most times when a vulnerability is > > found, till its resolved, that information usually kept private. There > > are many things that go on in the security world, that is kept private > > for legitimate reasons. > > > > Absolutely not. You have the completely wrong viewpoint of this. That > vulnerability exists whether it's disclosed or not. The problem is, when it > isn't disclosed the handful of people who do know about it can go around > exploiting at will without anyone's knowledge. It's better to know and > protect then be oblivious and get exploited. It's the organization's > responsibility to properly write code. The disclosure of > a vulnerability often puts pressure on the organization who coded it to fix > it in a timely fashion. There have been some vulnerabilities disclosed to > vendors that go over a year without being fixed. The whole time you were > vulnerable to attack and they never informed you. If there is one thing that > needs to be out in the open it's security related items. That's the only way > everyone can benefit. > > > Often people are going through massive amounts of information and > > > giving you the useful highlights. That is a HUGE advantage to someone > > > like me who stays pretty busy. So you are still saying this > > > collaborative community is something that you are proud to not > > > participate in? > > > > Well per the charts others have produced, you have to wade through 80% > > plus unwanted stuff, to get at any tid bits. But same can be said for > > many things rss feeds, blogs, etc. I used to waste hours with a rss > > aggregator. That was years before Twitter ever existed. Sure I stayed > > really informed, but productive I was not ;) > > > > It depends. Technology people are a bit better than the average user about > providing useful information. That's one of the things previous people did > not have a look at. > > > > > Once again though, it depends on the people you socially connect with. > > > The people with the useless babble probably wouldn't be the people you > > > would follow every day. For a blog, you just wouldn't read it if it > > > provided no value to you. > > > > Even those I have received technical value from. I cannot follow all of > > their activities, blogs, tweets, etc. A buddy of mine used to work at a > > social network aggregator, Spokeo, which has since morphed. But even > > using something like that, still way to much. > > > > To me there is a difference between valuing something and practical > > application. There is lots of knowledge that would be valuable to have, > > but unless I can use it in a practical application today and now. Likely > > just leads me one more step towards overload. > > > > I do it every day without being overloaded. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-list&r=1&w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.xml Unsubscribe [email protected]
