2013/6/9 Jim Thompson <[email protected]>

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> On Jun 8, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Michael Schuh <[email protected]> wrote:
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> i wouldn't only rely on the manufacturer but on the chip type; just saying
>
>
> If by 'chip' you mean 'controller', I agree.
>
> If by 'chip' you mean the actual flash (memory), then… you're likely
> mistaken.   Intel and Micron are the same thing.  (Micron is a second
> source for Intel flash.)
>
>
i mean SLC and MLC Flash-Memory-Chips; regardless which manufacturer. in
first place.

p.e.
Intel actually sells MLC instead of SLC ( iirc they had a series with SLC
but they are to expensive, not sure if they sell those further )
Intel SSD (actual series afaik MLC) compensate the different endurance with
more memory-chips and the controller software that round-robins
the writings over the entire disk except a reserved space for dying cells.

And yes there are manufacturers with much cleaner production and higer
quality of the memory-chips.



> Other manufacturers (Samsung, etc) also make quality flash parts.   I
> suppose there could be some seconds coming out of China, but if you buy the
> bottom of the price curve, you deserve what you get.   Many people who
> complain about SSD reliability have either mis-used the technology, (e.g.
> write amplification rears it's ugly head) or have purchased the cheapest
> SSD they can find, and then complain when the the part fails.
>
> The upthread advice about Intel SSDs is sound.   Now that the Sandforce
> controller debacle is over, Crucial (who are really a rebrand of Micron
> (see above)) and Samsung also make good, reliable SSDs.
>
> As a none-too-subtle hint: there are reasons why Netgate has, to date, not
> shipped SSD (or SSD-like) technology in our pfSense-powered appliances.
> It's not that we didn't know how, but rather the difference between
> "product" and "technology demonstration".   If you're only concerned with
> making one, or a dozen, for your own use, the effects of your decision are
> limited.   When you're making 1,000s of units per year, the weight of the
> decisions caries real monetary consequences.
>
> Also note that phk was discussing flash parts a lot more like 'Compact
> Flash' or USB flash than SSDs in that document, while this thread has been
> about using SSDs.   Apples != Oranges  (Just sayin').
>
> Jim
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