At 08:03 PM 1/19/00 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi Elan,
>
>I choosed to comment on your post, if you don't mind :-)
No, I don't mind.
>
>What's missing? Well, if you will look into REBOL system object structure,
you
>will find system/user/words and system/script/words fields. I think it was
>Carl, who commented my questions, stating those fields will provide separate?
>context and REBOL/Core should provide some functions, to make some words of
>above mentioned context visible to global context, etc.
Nice.
>
>It was also said adding the message port should be of no problem.
Explain.
>
>Early alpha REBOL stages webpage was also talking about multitasking and
>NATIVE! datatype, but not that NATIVE! we know .... it was supposed to allow
>extensions to language (probably C based). But well, that's something
/Command
>could suply in some form ...
Then it does not qualify as REBOL/Core feature.
>
>What more? More network protocols stuff? More modularity? Are we going to see
>/View, etc. in form of one executable? What if someone is not interested in
>having all the network stuff being built-in? I know actually it is small
>overhead, but anyway - there is no ability to load/unload stuff ...
These may be important questions in your mind, but they don't explain why
REBOL/View should not be pursued as REBOL Tech have chosen to pursue it.
>
>> 2. For me the top priority at this point in time is REBOL/View. GUI access
>> is IMHO by far the one item that will catapult REBOL forward the most.
>>
>
>Yes,
Yes!
>but it's so sudden I am scared a little bit it about it :-)
Oh, come on. Carl was in charge of Amiga OS, no? He does know how to
implement GUIs, don't you think?
>I hope it will
>be extensible in some way or at least it contains some nice primitives to
build
>own effects.
They announced that the whole GUI subsystem will be delivere Open Source. I
would expect that his will give you more than a few primitives. In MS
Windows, GUI functionality means loading dlls. Possibly, REBOL/View will
expose that code as part of the GUI subsystem, allowing us to perhaps load
other dlls as well (just speculation on my part!).
>I am interested in Scala Multimedia like effects, wipes. I hope
>double buffered smooth scroolling is supported, as I don't buy jerkinness.
>
This is not part of the REBOL/View being discussed today. Multimedia
extensions will follow later. REBOL/View in my understanding is limited to
GUIs.
>> 3. Of course REBOL/Command continues to be a much expected version.
>> Nevertheless, on my list it ranks below REBOL/View.
>>
>
>Hmm, not sure. Look, I am on REBOL/Apache ML, and noone from REBOL Tech. was
>willing to tell us to date - if /Apache is going to be based upon /Core or
upon
>/Command. If it is going to be based upon /Core, it is just joke,
not true. It does what REBOL/Core does but faster and more stable.
>and NOONE
>will use it seriously without database support.
Many CGI scripts do not require massive database support, i.e. database can
be REBOL script.
>Well, I will surely find some
>usage for it - but it's me, reboller in heart. I talked to some friends using
>some other solutions - without database support they will not spend even
minute
>looking at /Apache module.
Some will, some won't.
>
>Also - I am interested in Toolkit version - embeddable into my own apps.
What are you not interested in? Should REBOL Tech hold off on publishing
anything now, because you are interested in everything? What is the point
of raising demands from everything from REBOL/Command, Toolkit, Open
Source, when REBOL Tech is about to release a major new product?
>I am also still waiting for Netware version to look what can REBOL offer
here,
>as we have many Netware based servers here in our company.
So, what are you saying? Don't publish REBOL/View because you want Netware
version? Don't publish Netware version because you want toolkit? Don't
publish toolkit because you want REBOL/Command? Don't publish REBOL/Command
because you want REBOL/Core extensions? Don't publish REBOL/Core extensions
because you want improved REBOL/Apache module? Don't publish REBOL/Apache
module because you want Netware version ... Don't publish Netware version
because you want REBOL/View?
Why are you complaining about not being served a ham sandwich, pea soup, a
hamburger, steak, curry rice and chili, when they are about to serve you a
nice piece of cake with some delicious ice cream? What's going on here?
;- Elan >> [: - )]
