> > gv: > > What is the nature of understanding and is there a connection between > > understanding and what may be legitimately quantified? What is under- > > stood is integrated, right? In terms of the psyche, what is known but > > not understood is not operating. > > hj: On the contrary: The psyche is content and knowledge is content. > Understanding is not content. Rather the opposite: Understanding > reduces content.
gv: well let's go slowly here. The content is of the past, accumulated experiences, and information and impressions. If the psyche is only of the past, only content, then its operation is just mechanical. Which means there is no energy that is free, no awareness that is choiceless. But although the human psyche may be dominated by the past, there is some energy and awareness that is not tied to the past. If there is no such awareness, then there is no freedom in observation. Surely genuine understanding comes out of clear perception unbiased by past impressions. ===== gv: What is fully understood is not a matter of deliberation because it is already what is occurring. hj: No. What is understood is what is eliminated as content. gv: not all content is confusion. We need knowledge to function and communicate. We use knowledge to speak and read and write and type, etc. Where there is confusion, identity is established in the known, in part of the content. Where there is an understanding of that false split in consciousness, knowledge and thought are in their rightful place. There is room for what is not of the past to operate because there thought is not interfereing with perception. ==== gv: This is an undeniable fact anyone can validate. What is occurring with one may or may not be occurring with another. There is no pretense in that. hj: The pretense is in making claims. Who makes claims doesn't understand. gv: the assertion that he who says he knows, knows not, is pretentious. It obviously implies that the speaker knows. Likewise to say that one who claims to understand does not understand, contradicts itself as it clearly implies the speaker in fact thinks he or she understands. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 2/7/05 - >>> email 'unsubscribe listening-l' or 'subscribe listening-l' or 'info >>> listening-l' >>> to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in the body of the message
