(You're omitting the first of your two lines to which I'm referring)
gv: I didn't say there is an on-going entity to attain something in
time.
hj: You're speaking in code, like George Bush & Co.
gv: we are all speaking in code. The question is
whether we understand what the code indicates.
You tend to use the same code as George Bush
though your beliefs and conclusions may differ.
hj: You conveniently smudge the difference between code and language.
The first is used in order to deceive, the latter is not.
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