Right. It is easy to overstate these matters. I find that K did this at times. For example, he often spoke of
memory in terms that are too broad. Bohm at times would get him to specify more, to clarify. This is of interest here in understanding what it means to learn without accumulating knowledge. In learning, knowledge is accumulating. Otherwise we would have to keep rediscovering and relearning the same things repeatedly. But how are lessons of the past retained without interfering with present perception and further discovery? As you say, there is a big difference between what you call experiential learning and memorization of ideas as to what someone else said should be. You ask about intelligence. What do you mean by intelligence and what is the role of memory and intelligence in what you call experiential learning? From: Edward Jones [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:41 AM To: 'gdvant'; [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: Understanding Self discovery, GV. Edward www.anewconsciousness.org From: gdvant [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 8:23 PM To: 'Edward Jones'; [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: Understanding Gv: Are you speaking in terms of self discovery? Or any kind of discovery? We can learn all sorts of useful information about the physical world or about skillful methods of acting in the physical world, through being told what other people have discovered. Knowledge enables. It is foolish to engage in high-risk activities, without sufficient knowledge. Also, people have differing capacities and talents. In some areas we may easily discover on our own while in other areas of inquiry, what we are capable of discovering on our own is far more limited. The difficulty arises when we try to use this outward approach (of applying knowledge to bring about results) inwardly because we are not separate from our consciousness to act upon it. We (consciousness) are the disorder. So a different "instrument" is needed. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Edward Jones Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 8:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Understanding When something is explained in such a way as you then understand it, that steals from you the action of discovery. When something is understood it must be remembered and can be changed. When something is discovered no memory is needed, for it remains real. Edward .
