Got our TAM to add us to the GetHelp request. One more! Daniel Ratliff
-----Original Message----- From: listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Marcum, John Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:28 PM To: ms...@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps I spoke to my TAM about this and she has submitted a "GetHelp Feedback" item. If you agree that we should not have to remove these apps from our enterprise operating systems, please contact your TAM and reference GetHelp Feedback item #10870743. If we can get enough companies screaming loud enough about this maybe we can get it fixed. -----Original Message----- From: listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Marcum, John Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 12:53 PM To: ms...@lists.myitforum.com Subject: Re: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps I felt like I was protesting for the right reasons in my earlier posts. The statement you mention was a counter-argument to someone else saying "Running LTSB doesn't make sense either because it really isn't meant for everyday user devices." Which I believe to be an invalid point. > On Feb 10, 2016, at 12:18 PM, Jason Sandys <ja...@sandys.us> wrote: > > No disagreement. Just protest for the right reason and not because there's no > compelling feature difference. > > J > > > > >> On 2/10/16, 1:09 PM, "listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com on behalf of Marcum, >> John" <listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com on behalf of jmar...@babc.com> wrote: >> >> I wanna use CBB but MS needs to enable me to do so. If everyone bows down >> and installs it as it they won't fix it. >> >> >> >> >>> On Feb 10, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Jason Sandys <ja...@sandys.us> wrote: >>> >>> Don't fool yourself into believing that there haven't been compelling >>> updates to Windows 10 already for Enterprises. After only four months, they >>> added a lot in 1511 as detailed at >>> https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt614818%28v=vs.85%29.aspx. >>> Redstone (which to my knowledge is currently predicted to be released in >>> June) will certainly have many more. >>> >>> I'm not saying that you should or shouldn't choose LTSB, just don't choose >>> it thinking there's nothing of value in CB/CBB. >>> >>> J >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 2/10/16, 12:55 PM, "listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com on behalf of Marcum, >>>> John" <listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com on behalf of jmar...@babc.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> It's not "meant" for them according to MS. There's zero technical >>>> limitation with LTSB. MS wants us to move to a SaS model and that's >>>> the only reason "it's not meant" for anything. On the flip side >>>> Xbox is not meant for my corporate computers. ;-) >>>> >>>> On Feb 10, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Marable, Mike >>>> <mmara...@med.umich.edu<mailto:mmara...@med.umich.edu>> wrote: >>>> >>>> "Running LTSB doesn't make sense either because it really isn't meant for >>>> everyday user devices." >>>> >>>> I have to disagree with that. I've been running LTSB on my everyday >>>> workhorse machines now since the release. There is absolutely nothing >>>> wrong with LTSB, in fact it is a perfect platform for enterprises in my >>>> opinion. Granted I work in healthcare, but regardless I don't see a >>>> pressing reason to go with CB over LTSB outside of the frequent updates. >>>> Even then I have not seen anything in the updated flights in CB that would >>>> be of value to us. >>>> >>>> That's just my opinion though. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> From: >>>> listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.co >>>> m> [mailto:listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Jerousek, >>>> Jeff >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 12:45 PM >>>> To: ms...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ms...@lists.myitforum.com> >>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>>> >>>> I agree, but all of Microsoft is undergoing a paradigm shift to an agile >>>> development process. >>>> >>>> It feels like some teams haven't quite switched over yet, like the >>>> ADK WinPE that hasn't been fixed for 4-5 months at a time. The >>>> Business Store, and Business Update teams. (Maybe they haven't been >>>> assembled yet.) >>>> >>>> While others are just throwing as much out there as they can without >>>> testing like the Universal Apps. Half of the documented settings for start >>>> the screen .xml either aren't implemented or have changed. The GPOs not >>>> even being able to control the new features at first. >>>> >>>> Running LTSB doesn't make sense either because it really isn't meant for >>>> everyday user devices. >>>> >>>> It's been very frustrating. We had the Threshold 1 OSD ready and then had >>>> to change practically everything when Threshold 2 was released. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Jeff Jerousek >>>> >>>> From: >>>> listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.co >>>> m> [mailto:listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Marcum, >>>> John >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 11:28 AM >>>> To: ms...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ms...@lists.myitforum.com> >>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>>> >>>> Right... They should just yank those consumer apps out of Win10 >>>> enterprise but allow them to be installed if someone wants them. >>>> (which nobody will) >>>> >>>> I don't even care if they leave the crap in Pro but it can't be in >>>> Enterprise. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: >>>> listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.co >>>> m> [mailto:listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Schwan, >>>> Phil >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 11:23 AM >>>> To: ms...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ms...@lists.myitforum.com> >>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>>> >>>> This definitely a logistical issue and a bit of a step backwards. OSD in >>>> the more distant past required a lot of chicken wire and duct tape (ie, >>>> scripts and specialized processes) to get everything looking the way you >>>> wanted for an enterprise deployment. The trend through the last several >>>> releases has been towards more control and easier customization through >>>> standardized tools and settings. >>>> >>>> However, with this new "WaaS" model we essentially have to do in-place >>>> upgrades on at least a semi-annual basis. I can understand to an extent >>>> not supporting the logistics of trying to incorporate a customized WIM >>>> file into the standard upgrade engine....but in lieu of having the changes >>>> Enterprises want baked into the core OS itself there should be better >>>> facilitation of a standardized "runtime" method for making the changes at >>>> deployment time. Whether that's through an unattend.xml-style >>>> customization method, or tighter integration of Provisioning Packages into >>>> the in place upgrade scenario...there has to be a better way than forcing >>>> the install of something we're just going to turn around and uninstall. >>>> "Do this, then undo it" makes no sense. >>>> >>>> Given the way things have progressed prior to Windows 10, the "just make >>>> the changes post-deployment" position runs completely counter to the >>>> entire enterprise systems management paradigm we've been given for the >>>> last decade plus. That's akin to saying with Windows 7 we should deploy >>>> the Win7 media directly from Microsoft and then use scripts and GPOs to >>>> make all of our changes post-deployment. It's horribly inefficient. >>>> >>>> -Phil >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Phil Schwan | Technical Architect, Enterprise Windows Services >>>> Microsoft VTSP >>>> (b-phs...@microsoft.com<mailto:b-phs...@microsoft.com>) >>>> Project Leadership Associates | 2000 Town Center, Suite 1900, >>>> Southfield, MI 48075 >>>> Lync: 312.756.1626 Mobile: 419.262.5133 >>>> www.projectleadership.net<http://www.projectleadership.net/> >>>> <image001.jpg><http://www.linkedin.com/in/philschwan><image002.jpg> >>>> <https://twitter.com/philschwan> >>>> <image003.jpg><http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/author/philschwan> >>>> <image004.jpg>Lead with Strategy. Leverage Technology. Deliver Results. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: >>>> listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.co >>>> m> [mailto:listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Marcum, >>>> John >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:31 AM >>>> To: ms...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ms...@lists.myitforum.com> >>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>>> >>>> I'm curious how many people think it's acceptable to have to remove a >>>> bunch of junk from their OS's after each branch update? Maybe Rod could >>>> put up a poll? I for one find it unacceptable and for that reason I'm >>>> still think LTSB is the way to go. Why in the world would MS want us to >>>> load any of these on our corporate PC's? >>>> >>>> >>>> "Microsoft.BingFinance","Microsoft.BingNews","Microsoft.XboxApp","M >>>> icrosoft.SkypeApp","Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection","Micros >>>> oft.BingSports","Microsoft.ZuneMusic","Microsoft.ZuneVideo","Micros >>>> oft.Windows.Photos","Microsoft.People","Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHu >>>> b" >>>> "microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps","Microsoft.Getstarted","Micro >>>> soft.3DBuilder","9E2F88E3.Twitter","king.com.CandyCrushSodaSaga", >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: >>>> listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.co >>>> m> [mailto:listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Aaron >>>> Czechowski >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 11:08 PM >>>> To: ms...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ms...@lists.myitforum.com> >>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>>> >>>> From https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt627919.aspx >>>> First bullet: >>>> >>>> Upgrades the operating system on computers that currently run Windows 7, >>>> Windows 8, or Windows 8.1. You can also do build-to-build upgrades of >>>> Windows 10. For example, you can upgrade Windows 10 RTM to Windows 10, >>>> version 1511. >>>> >>>> :) >>>> >>>> From: >>>> listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.co >>>> m> [mailto:listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Michael >>>> Niehaus >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 4:00 PM >>>> To: ms...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ms...@lists.myitforum.com> >>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>>> >>>> You don't have to use servicing plans, you can continue to use task >>>> sequences with Windows 10 media. But the servicing plans have more >>>> features, so that's the preferred route. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> -Michael >>>> >>>> From: >>>> listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.co >>>> m> [mailto:listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of John Aubrey >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:57 AM >>>> To: ms...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ms...@lists.myitforum.com> >>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>>> >>>> I was under the impression this would work for Win 7 to Win 10 upgrades, >>>> but not the serving from 10 to 10. I thought you had to use the Windows >>>> 10 Servicing Plans. >>>> >>>> From: >>>> listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.co >>>> m> [mailto:listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Jerousek, >>>> Jeff >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 8:53 AM >>>> To: ms...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ms...@lists.myitforum.com> >>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>>> >>>> With an upgrade Task Sequence. >>>> >>>> https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/configmgrteam/2015/06/16/revise >>>> d-content-for-the-windows-10-in-place-upgrade-via-task-sequence-for >>>> -configuration-manager/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.c >>>> om/?url=https%3a%2f%2fblogs.technet.microsoft.com%2fconfigmgrteam%2 >>>> f2015%2f06%2f16%2frevised-content-for-the-windows-10-in-place-upgra >>>> de-via-task-sequence-for-configuration-manager%2f&data=01%7c01%7caa >>>> ron.czechowski%40microsoft.com%7c8eac9fc663694f776d4a08d331ad55b5%7 >>>> c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=omZyExPKk97WELSoehYA45V >>>> 7NDnNsNqUAXNWjb4YvSs%3d> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Jeff Jerousek >>>> >>>> From: >>>> listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.co >>>> m> [mailto:listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of John Aubrey >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:24 AM >>>> To: ms...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ms...@lists.myitforum.com> >>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>>> >>>> How do you run a custom task sequence to remove them after Windows 10 has >>>> been updated to the new release and make sure it runs before someone logs >>>> on? >>>> >>>> From: >>>> listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.co >>>> m> [mailto:listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Jerousek, >>>> Jeff >>>> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 5:36 PM >>>> To: ms...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ms...@lists.myitforum.com> >>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>>> >>>> We use a Task Sequence to run the upgrade and we remove these: >>>> >>>> "'Microsoft.BingFinance','Microsoft.BingWeather', >>>> 'Microsoft.WindowsPhone', 'Microsoft.Getstarted', >>>> 'Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection', 'Microsoft.Office.Sway', >>>> 'Microsoft.People', 'Microsoft.SkypeApp', >>>> 'microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps', 'Microsoft.WindowsPhone', >>>> 'Microsoft.XboxApp', 'Microsoft.BingSports', 'Microsoft.Appconnector', >>>> 'Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub', 'Microsoft.3DBuilder', >>>> 'Microsoft.CommsPhone','Microsoft.Office.OneNote','Microsoft.ConnectivityStore', >>>> 'Microsoft.Messaging'" >>>> >>>> If you remove them and set a custom start menu you will not see any >>>> shortcuts, some built in shortcuts to the apps will say the app is missing >>>> would you like to use a different program to run it, etc. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Jeff Jerousek >>>> >>>> From: >>>> listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.co >>>> m> [mailto:listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of John Aubrey >>>> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 2:53 PM >>>> To: ms...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ms...@lists.myitforum.com> >>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>>> >>>> Here is my list: >>>> >>>> "Microsoft.BingFinance","Microsoft.BingNews","Microsoft.XboxApp","Microsoft.SkypeApp","Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection","Microsoft.BingSports","Microsoft.ZuneMusic","Microsoft.ZuneVideo","Microsoft.Windows.Photos","Microsoft.People","Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub","Microsoft.WindowsMaps","microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps","Microsoft.Getstarted","Microsoft.3DBuilder","9E2F88E3.Twitter","king.com.CandyCrushSodaSaga","Microsoft.WindowsPhone", >>>> "Microsoft.Messaging","Microsoft.WindowsStore", "Microsoft.CommsPhone", >>>> "Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub", "Microsoft.Office.Sway", >>>> "Microsoft.ConnectivityStore" >>>> >>>> >>>> I use the same script you have listed below. It works sometimes for the >>>> current logged on user, but pretty much perfect for people that first sign >>>> in after this is ran. When Windows 10 gets serviced up to the new build, >>>> all those apps come back. You can't use a task sequence to do the upgrade >>>> from what I have read. It would be nice to have an option to run a custom >>>> "clean up" script that removes and modifies the new Windows install after >>>> the upgrade but before people can log back on. There might be settings or >>>> hooks that need readded to Windows once it is upgraded. I haven't gotten >>>> to that point yet in my deployments. I know Cisco anyconnect has caused >>>> issues in the past with Windows 10 upgrades. Currently there isn't a way >>>> to have that uninstall before the OS upgrade starts and drop it back down >>>> on the PC once it's done. >>>> From: >>>> listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.co >>>> m> [mailto:listsadmin@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Merenda, >>>> Kenneth >>>> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 3:28 PM >>>> To: ms...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ms...@lists.myitforum.com> >>>> Subject: [mssms] Removing Windows 10 Apps >>>> >>>> In the past, my company has been very traditional on how software is >>>> installed, so with Windows 8.1 we disabled the store and removed almost >>>> every modern app. Culture is changing though, and now along with a move >>>> to Office 365, we're being challenged to deliver a more consumer-like >>>> experience, but still exclude things that would only serve as a >>>> distraction from business. >>>> >>>> That said, I was wondering which Windows 10 apps you all remove? I've >>>> included my list below, but I've found it isn't working well. Although >>>> the apps get removed, I still find start menu shortcuts for them, often >>>> with the icon missing. >>>> >>>> Here is what I run to get rid of the apps. I'd love to hear everyone's >>>> feedback, and any suggestions for improvement. >>>> >>>> # Define the apps to be removed >>>> $appsToRemove = >>>> "Microsoft.WindowsPhone","Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub","Microsoft.People","Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection","Microsoft.BingFinance","Microsoft.BingNews","Microsoft.BingSports","Microsoft.BingWeather","Microsoft.SkypeApp","microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps","Microsoft.XboxApp","Microsoft.ZuneMusic","Microsoft.ZuneVideo" >>>> >>>> # Loop through the app list and remove each app foreach ($app in >>>> $appsToRemove) { >>>> >>>> # Uninstall app for the current user Get-AppxPackage | Where-Object >>>> -Property "Name" -eq $app | Remove-AppxPackage >>>> >>>> # Remove app from the OS >>>> Get-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online | Where-Object -Property >>>> "DisplayName" -EQ $app | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online } >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ >>>> Kenneth Merenda >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> >>>> Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail is from a law firm and may be >>>> protected by the attorney-client or work product privileges. 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