BDC will work fine if you implement the specified "updated since"
indexer query as detailed (rather poorly, to be honest) in the BDC
SDK.



On 1/10/08, Sezai KOMUR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >> the index service will only look at the change log of the sites/site coll
> in question (SPSite.GetChanges(...))
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> Thanks for the info Mick, I've always wondered how an incremental sharepoint
> site crawl works in V3.
>
>
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> But what happens with a BDC incremental crawl ? Can I set them to 5mins too?
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>
> I was just about to set incremental crawls to 5 mins on a BDC content source
> as a test, but then realised it obviously can't use SPSite.GetChanges to get
> the delta, so I googled bdc incremental crawl and found the following -
> http://geekswithblogs.net/Tariq/archive/2007/05/23/112680.aspx
>
>
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> "You would need some column on your table/view/or Stored-Proc to indicate
> the last modified time of that entity instance "
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> also
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> "this property needs to be called __BDCLastModifiedTimestamp and should be
> of type string"
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> So if your lob application doesn't store the last modified time for each
> individual row, incremental crawls won't work for a BDC content source….
>
>
> Sezai Kömür
>  Senior Developer  - BEng, BSc - Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist
> -  http://www.moss2007.com.au/
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Mick Badran
>  Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2008 1:04 AM
>
>  To: [email protected]
>  Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] programmatically add items to be crawled
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> Hi Roger - (sorry for coming in late)
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> Are your sites v2 or v3?
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> If they are v3 the index service will only look at the change log of the
> sites/site coll in question (SPSite.GetChanges(...)) so only the changes are
> indexed for that last schedule interval.
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> I generally use every 5 mins for the crawl interval (incremental) on large
> sites with no worries (even if the V3 sites are on other boxes/farms)
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> A good place to get a handle on all this is the "Enterprise Search Resource
> Kit" - bunch of goodies on there from the prod team.
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> 15 min intervals is what we used to do for V2 sites.
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> Mick Badran (MVP - BizTalk) | mb: +61 404842833 |
> im:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Breeze Training | Training + Integration Specialist | Microsoft Readiness
> Instructor
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> blogs:http://blogs.breezetraining.com.au/mickb
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>  ________________________________
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>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger
> Noble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2008 4:43 PM
>  To: [email protected]
>  Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] programmatically add items to be crawled
>
>
>
> Ok, that sounds like a good place to start.
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
>
>
>
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Hodges, Kristen
>  Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2008 4:11 PM
>  To: [email protected]
>  Subject: [SPAM] - RE: [OzMOSS] programmatically add items to be crawled -
> Found word(s) list error in the Text body
>
>
>
> Yeah that's correct.  Recommendations we were given from Microsoft was 15
> minute intervals – and we have a large ContentDb + same server for search
> and hosting.  I have to admit though we don't do 15 minutes because we
> didn't have any need.  That said, MOM alerts have been configured if CPU
> usage exceeds 80% - it never happens even when search is running. That's on
> a 64-bit box with 4 CPUs and 4Gb memory.
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>
>
> You could prove the performance baseline if you create a dummy copy and run
> 5 minute incrementals on that?  See what PerfMon shows.  Then you'll know
> for sure.
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Roger Noble
>  Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2008 4:32 PM
>  To: [email protected]
>  Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] programmatically add items to be crawled
>
>
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding of how an incremental crawl
> works is to crawl the site in full an do a hash compare on each item to look
> for changes. So the concern is the load on the servers hosting the sites and
> the time it would take to do the crawl (depending on the amount and size of
> the documents).
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>
> (but I agree that it doesn't make a whole load of sense)
>
>
>
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>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Hodges, Kristen
>  Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2008 3:56 PM
>  To: [email protected]
>  Subject: [SPAM] - RE: [OzMOSS] programmatically add items to be crawled -
> Found word(s) list error in the Text body
>
>
>
> That doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense…  If the search server is on
> a separate server there are no performance implications???  You're only
> talking about an incremental crawl right?
>
>
>
>
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Roger Noble
>  Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2008 4:23 PM
>  To: [email protected]
>  Subject: [OzMOSS] programmatically add items to be crawled
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I have a question regarding search.
>
> I'm trying to see if it's at all possible to programmatically add items into
> the search index. I have a situation where the client wants documents to be
> searchable almost immediately after they have added them.
>
> I've suggested that the only solution is to schedule an incremental crawl
> every 5min or so, but they are not happy with that solution. Mainly due to
> performance concerns (they are running a separate search server).
>
>
>
> Any help / comments are appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Roger
>
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