Thanks Ian,
I probably wasn't clear. I'll have another go. We want to have a view of our code based on our enterprise architecture. Or in other words, we want a view that related to all the software that is running in our data centre, on desktops, mainframe, etc. As an enterprise architect, I don't want to see the projects that created the software; I want to see the software. I want to know what applications, software products, binaries, components, exist. In relation to this, I might want to know how they map to requirements and what hardware they are installed on, for example. I want to know what are all the pieces of software that make up a system, an application, or a software component. To take an analogy from building architecture, I don't (always) want to know the history of the extensions to the building and the maintenance etc. That is an important view too, but primarily I want to see the actual build. For example, I want to know how many stories the building has, what materials are used, what it looks like, which windows face north, etc. I want a view of all that stuff that is independent of the projects that were undertaken to create the build. Hope that makes it a little clearer. Justin ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of HOPE,Ian Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2007 11:00 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [OzTFS] Thoughts on Clear Case / TFS integration Hi Justin, I can only comment on your 1st point, I wouldn't describe TFS as tightly coupling source code to work-items. It has that ability if you want it to thru the use of checkin policies. We have team projects at the moment with no source code and being used for work items only. I quote you "wants to ensure that we have a view of the source code that is based on the software assets", to me your software asset becomes the Team project. Its just how you want to organise yourselves. Cheers Ian ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butcher, Justin Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2007 10:41 To: [email protected] Cc: Brad Smith (AUSTRALIA) Subject: [OzTFS] Thoughts on Clear Case / TFS integration [SEC=UNOFFICIAL] HI All, I work for a large (by Australian Standards) government organisation (the ATO) that does a lot of software development across a range of platforms. We are increasing the scope of TFS usage to about 500 users in the very near future (currently about 200). We are currently evaluating the Clear Case and Clear Quest Product Suite with a view to understanding how it might either complement or replace TFS. We are currently using TFS to manage a number of projects including a fairly large project in which TFS manages several 100,000 lines of both Cobol and .Net code. The integration with the Cobol editor is quite reasonable, using the MS SCCI provider. We also have pockets of Eclipse (Java, MQ Series) and other platforms which are (or very soon will be) using TFS. I've noticed the following which seem to be limitations of either product and I was wondering if people could comment of the following points: 1. TFS tightly couples source code to work-items, reports and team collaboration. As a large enterprise with lots of teams and lots of projects over time, my team (enterprise architecture) wants to ensure that we have a view of the source code that is based on the software assets. We don't want the primary view of the code to be based on projects, which are centred around tasks, timelines and people. We want a view that shows how the source fits into the over-arching enterprise architecture framework. Because TFS uses the Team Project as the top-level organisational unit, source gets organisated around projects, rather than being organised as the resulting assets that projects deliver. It seems like Clear Case / Clear Quest supports this concept better, with a better layer of abstraction between source organisation and projects / workflow. But I've not used Clear Case. Am I right? 2. Does Clear Case support the idea of source proxies like TFS? 3. I know that TFS supports migration from Clear Case specifically and integration with Clear Case. Has anyone got real experience with this that they can share? Thanks, Justin. **************************************************************** IMPORTANT The information transmitted is for the use of the intended recipient only and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Any review, re-transmission, disclosure dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may result in severe penalties. 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