Dear Walter Just a footnote, to reply to you, always gets my goat to be talked about in 3rd person. I agree that Denmark is nothing special, people are what people are, and anyplace can be wonderful, seems it depends more on your own attitude than the attitude of the ones you visit. I must say though that I feel you are misjudging me a bit and that you jump to a few conclusions. :-)
I have seen the Midwest, and probably more states than most Americans. I have criss crossed America for 3 years in a motorhome, 80 000 miles of American soil passed under my wheels. I have a pretty good idea of what goes on in this country. I have worked as volunteer in various downtown skidrow centers, mostly poor black neighborhoods, worked as a counselor / pastor in several county jails in Georgia as well, for a 6 month period. I have also been socializing with some of the most prominent city leaders in different cities, because of my involvement with volunteer work, among them the past Police chief of Miami. At the time I was traveling with my family of 10 children 6 of them girls, and I also carried a shotgun as well as a 30/30 Winchester. I think I understand the issues, and if asked, would be in support of ones right to self defense, in a country with such enormous proliferation of firearms. My argument was regarding CRUISING with weapons, which is an entirely different ball of wax, wouldn't you agree. There are some severe penalties if one tries to circumvent the law, hiding weapons, and I just do not think the risk is worth the effort and inconvenience. Cruising is a calculated risk, and I do not find the danger so extreme outside of the USA as to warrant arming oneself. We are all a product of our upbringing, that was my point. Americans and Europeans as well. I appreciate your mail Regards John -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:00 AM Til: [email protected] Emne: Liveaboard Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 Send Liveaboard mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Liveaboard digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Weapons aboard (Walter Knopf) 2. last post on weapons :-) (John Christensen) 3. Re: last post on weapons :-) (Ballantyne, Merrill) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:11:58 -0600 From: "Walter Knopf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Weapons aboard To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Well, Merrill, there are other places that are nice, I wouldn't want to immigrate to DK. Way back when I used to be stationed in Flensburg, just across the border from Denmark, I thought it was a nice country, Mermaid, Tivoli and all, but nothing above the norm. (I wore a white hat, I was one of the good guys ;) John judges the US from a viewpoint of Florida or whatever, not exactly the heartland of the country. Maybe if he experienced the Midwest he would think differently. Walter PS: PR has one of the strictest gun laws, but murder rates are higher than New York City, everybody seems to have a gun, mostly because of the drug traffic. I keep a loaded S&W in my bedroom in Illinois, but have no guns in PR - go figure... maybe it's because of the state of mind (say:manana) makes you feel more at ease. Still trying to find a snow shovels in the Virgins (US, British or Spanish) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ballantyne, Merrill To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Weapons aboard John you must be Danish- I would love to move to Denmark- but their immigration laws are so incredibly restrictive..It is a far safer country than any of the Americas (yes, even Canada) and maybe you would have a different perspective if lived here. Just check out the crime stats. So in a sense, you are correct- if everyone could move to Denmark, no one would need guns. But alas, Denmark won't let us. One thing that I find funny is that your use of the term 'European.' You lump everyone together as if they were a homogeneous cultural group. You must mean only Norway, Sweden and Denmark, because many other Europeans are decidedly undiplomatic, uncompromising, and even downright volatile, which is exactly why I like them. -Merrill ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:35:39 -0800 From: "John Christensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Liveaboard] last post on weapons :-) To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" John you must be Danish- I am and I made no secret of that, this is no revelation, why do I feel like this is a cheap point :-) I would love to move to Denmark- but their immigration laws are so incredibly restrictive.. And so...this has nothing to do with any point of discussion!!! It is a far safer country than any of the Americas (yes, even Canada) and maybe you would have a different perspective if lived here. I do live HERE I presently live in Miami, Overtown to be exact....not exactly a fine neighborhood...and!! Just check out the crime stats. So in a sense, you are correct- if everyone could move to Denmark, no one would need guns. But alas, Denmark won't let us. No need for sarcasm, no need for putdowns, what has Denmark's immigration policy got to do with the subject matter? Explain please One thing that I find funny is that your use of the term 'European.' You lump everyone together as if they were a homogeneous cultural group. Yea that may seem confusing, yet still I find the most "volatile" European better suited to diplomacy and problem solving than any average American...but that just ticks you off doesn't it :-) You must mean only Norway, Sweden and Denmark, because many other Europeans are decidedly undiplomatic, uncompromising, and even downright volatile, which is exactly why I like them. Well you had me fooled....sounds like the opposite to me sounds like you pretty much love those who think like you, ie Americans in any case it is a strange statement.....you like volatile people? hmmmm no comprende, would that mean you dislike evenkeeled calm people..hmmm Gotta think about that -Merrill Dear Merril and all I will conclude my points, by saying that I stand by my opinion so just let it be that ..my opinion. I do not claim to have the ultimate truth...I might be wrong, it would not be the first time but still its my opinion. I see no reason to keep answering posting and personal mails defending AN OPINION. Get a grip folks :-) Thanks to all who answered my posts, some who apparently hate me for having a point of view different to theirs...got lots of mails on this one, and thanks to the ones who understand and agree as well. My goal is to live peaceably with the people in the culture where I reside. To do some good and get my boat ready to go "sailaway" to live with the people I really like to live with ha , palm trees and white beaches please please please Just kiddin..thanks to all of you who so regularly help others, seek to understand and embrace differences, welcome to the cruising world community Thanks especially to all those who kept calm and just asked and or communicated. Their points of view. Regards John SV FreeSpirit Presently Cruising in Miami PS Without a 12 guage, .....but I am thinking about it :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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