Ken & Norm, ON JETSKI TURNING:
Ken says if the Jetski was going other than high speed it could have turned. I seem to remember a few years ago that some young student collided in Miami Harbor and was killed when he collided into the back quarter of Gloria Esteban's boat. The jetski cut its power when the boat went in front of him, and then tried to turn. That Jetski would not turn without power on, and if power was cut it just went forward! Ed On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:50 AM, Ken James wrote: Norm of Bandersnatch wrote: > Ken, > > Your quoted description of the incident did not contain any speed > for the > jet ski, you simply made up the assumption that the jet ski was > traveling > at excessive speed (as well as adding drunk and crazy), in addition > you > just now added "a close or small anchorage or cove" none of which > was in > the original description. > I did have a reason for assuming the jet ski was going "too fast", that was the statement that the person sustained "severe" head injuries. I did not state the person was drunk or crazy, only indicated that it was my assessment that such behavior could easily be explained by such a state of condition. The statement in the article was "secluded" cove, I do not think it is a stretch in this case (it was not N. Canada) to call such "close or small" but that could be incorrect, but if so I think it is not germane to the main point. > The jet ski, as well as any other type of watercraft approaching the > anchored sailboat, may very well have been moving at a reasonable > speed for > the conditions, or it might have been going too fast, that simply was not > part of the description you originally quoted. Personally, I would > guess > that if the jet ski t-boned the sailboat at full speed the jet ski > driver > would not have survived. I once ran into the back of a cement truck in Japan face-first with a bicycle at well over 20 mph (was doing over 32 when I first applied the brakes) and I survived (would have been far worse if not for the helmet, and no it was not my fault, the driver suddenly turned across me in front of me), so I think we cannot make such an assumption as that. But as I said I believe that because he sustained "severe" head injuries that indicates he was going 'too fast'. Remember it was after sunset (otherwise why argue about an anchor light), and if he was unable to avoid the boat in a highly agile jet ski or PWC after he saw it (or worse yet he did not see it), as far as I am concerned that is even more compelling evidence he was going "too fast" in the dark. If he had been "off plane" or going slowly he could have throttled back or swerved in time. Plenty of times I have gone through a dark anchorage in a dingy and could have hit a dark boat (even one with an anchor light on top of the mast), but I did not, not even once, because I was not going...too fast! But who knows, I may be wrong, although I think the odds are very much on my side. I actually saw a video several years ago of a jet > ski driver die by hitting his head on the handlebars when jumping a > wave. > > Your assertion that the jet ski was being operated in a reckless > manner is > unfounded by the quoted description, you appear to have simply made > that up > to make your viewpoint seem reasonable. I did not "assert" but I may have "implied". Making assumptions or conditional implications or stating opinion is not the same as "making it up". > > You also change your version story with each telling so are what > they would > call a "discredited witness". Commenting on the story after it I posted it is not the same as changing it. And it is not "my" story to change anyway. In other words, since I was clearly not the source, only the poster, how could it be inferred I *could* change it? > > BTW, how much are you selling your gooseneck reading lamps for? Thanks for asking, 3W power consumption, red/warm white = to most 20 W halagons, very wide 140 deg beam, can take 30V forever (but won't light above 15.7V), can take surges or spikes far above that, dimmable, 115$ + 7 S&H normally, I will discount to you for 100$. -Ken _______________________________________________ Liveaboard mailing list [email protected] To adjust your membership settings over the web http:// www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The archives are at http://www.liveaboardnow.org/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/ [email protected] The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/ mailman/mailman-member/index.html _______________________________________________ Liveaboard mailing list [email protected] To adjust your membership settings over the web http://www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The archives are at http://www.liveaboardnow.org/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
