OK Ben,

I'm taking my 11 aircraft carriers and going out to play in the sun. I'll go
look at the remains of the boats sunk by the fire. I'm really surprised that
members of this list find it acceptable to talk politics. Like you, I will
simply hit the delete key in future. Sometimes, having worked in the Office
of the Secretary of  Defense and the State Department can be a liability.
Reality sucks.

Ron Rogers

On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Ben Okopnik <[email protected]> wrote:

> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     From: ahmet erkan
> >     To: [email protected]
> >     Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 11:51 AM
> >     Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Question: where is the 6th Fleet?
> >
> >     Typical hit and run tactic for bullies :
> >
> >     1. Attack the person who entertains an opposing idea.
> >     2. Push own opinions (decorated with biased examples) as the only
> sensible
> >     strategy.
> >     3. Push own conclusions.
> >     4. Blame the victim and win support by issuing orders to keep
> political
> >     discussions off the list.
> >
> >     Once in a while as a break from boating related subjects, I would
> prefer to
> >     hear Walter's genuine
> >     opinions about World affairs, rather than see him bullied.
>
> Ignoring for the moment the fact of Ahmet's own usual habit of bitchy
> little comments and impotent threats (the reason that I kill-filed him
> quite a while ago; the only time I get to see his posts is when someone
> else cites them), I must say that in the main, I have to agree with
> this. I don't see that Walter was pushing any particular agenda, or
> taking up a political stance.
>
> Ron, I understand that you may have been rubbed raw by the current ugly
> rhetoric about this issue in other places. Please do consider that you
> may also have been hyper-sensitized by it to the point of treating
> anything on the subject that does not explicitly espouse your viewpoint
> as supporting the opposite side. This is neither an accurate perception
> nor a reasonable way to approach the world. When you reach that point,
> it may be a good idea to drop the issue, walk away from the keyboard for
> a while - or possibly kill-file, either permanently or temporarily,
> people that you find affect your peace of mind.
>
> Take a deep breath, sip a cup of tea, go look at the ocean. Then come
> back in a better frame of mind and talk about something different. No
> major harm done (not trying to speak for anyone else here, but that's
> what it looks like to me), no foul. Let it go.
>
>
> Ben
>
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