Hello, Firstly let me briefly introduce myself. I have been using Linux for some years now, originally starting out in text consoles but for the last couple of years more and more in the gnome desktop. I am a blind computer user so rely on assistive technologies such as orca http://live.gnome.org/Orca. My main history has been on distributions such as slackware and debian, however I felt may be time to start looking around (partly as I want to do some work on promoting the accessibility in Linux and for that I may be better with a distribution such as fedora).
Now to the actual main subject. I just tried installing fedora 12 from the LiveCD. In the main the process is reasonably accessible (there are a few points I would alter for a really good user experience, but still usable), however when I went to reboot the system after running the installer I hit a big show stopper, the first boot application is inaccessible and I couldn't find any work around. The issue is that it runs before loading the full gnome desktop so I can't launch orca and there is no text based screen reader (eg. speakup or YASR). I have one question, why does fedora use this first boot application? other distributions seem to be able to do all that this does (I read the quick start guide for details of what the first boot application does) on the LiveCD installer (eg. opensuse, opensolaris, GRML's grml2hd, etc). Would it be possible for these things to be dealt with on the LiveCD? If there is a good reason why some may want the first boot application, may be it could be an optional thing (eg. in the liveinst programme we have a checkbox for "Use first boot application", if ticked the first boot application will be used, if unticked user configuration will be done in liveinst). Another alternative, may be not so satisfactory to me, have some sort of accessibility for first boot. This would take the form emit a sound (may be a beep) when first boot starts, the user could use a keyboard shortcut to load a screen reader. May be accessibility for first boot could be set to start automatically on the LiveCD (may be a check box, may be if accessibility is enabled on the LiveCD accessibility for first boot could be enabled). The big question would be though, what screen reader will work with first boot? I am sorry I can't answer this as I can't see the first boot application and so don't know if it is text based, GTK based, etc. Other than the speakup modified fedora (which I don't think is an official fedora distribution) there is no accessible way for a blind user to install fedora. Anyway for what I need the speakup modified fedora will not do as it uses the text based installer and so will use the whole disk, but I have windows on that disk and want to preserve the windows installation. The LiveCD looks like the most promising solution for installing fedora if the show stopper problem I mentioned above is solved. I will quickly say why I feel accessible install of fedora should matter. While accessibility of the desktop system itself is important, many computers don't come with Linux preinstalled, and so many users may need to install it themselves. Now the LiveCD gives me a good chance to see what fedora can do (in fact I will be honest and say in the past that generally fedora has been overlooked by me, but I decided to look at the LiveCD and it has changed my mind), and if you like what you see you want to get it installed. Its not always possible to get sighted assistance and sometimes the sighted assistant may not be as computer knowledgeable as you would hope, so it would be best if the blind user could install it independently. Other distributions have made it possible for blind users to do an accessible install (ubuntu, opensuse, opensolaris, slackware and debian, possibly others) and so fedora falls behind in this respect. Talking personally, I cannot proceed with fedora at the current time as I don't have the appropriate support to get beyond the first boot screen. I would be prepared to work with fedora developers to try and solve this major issue and other smaller issues regarding the accessibility of installing fedora from LiveCD. Would it be best for me to ask this else where or approach anyone in particular? Michael Whapples -- livecd mailing list [email protected] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/livecd
