I'm aware that GSYM doesn't have full info, but if you're both looking at 
symbol-server kinds of mechanics and protocols, it would be silly to separate 
them into Clayborg-servers and Zach-servers just because GSYM cares mainly 
about line info.
But whatever.  You guys are designing this, go for it.

From: Zachary Turner [mailto:ztur...@google.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 10:13 AM
To: Robinson, Paul
Cc: fr...@apple.com; lldb-dev@lists.llvm.org
Subject: Re: [lldb-dev] RFC: Moving debug info parsing out of process

GSYM, as I understand it, is basically just an evolution of Breakpad symbols.  
It doesn't contain full fidelity debug information (type information, function 
parameters, etc).
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 5:56 PM 
<paul.robin...@sony.com<mailto:paul.robin...@sony.com>> wrote:
When I see this "parsing DWARF and turning it into something else" it is very 
reminiscent of what clayborg is trying to do with GSYM.  You're both talking 
about leveraging LLVM's parser, which is great, but I have to wonder if there 
isn't more commonality being left on the table.  Just throwing that thought out 
there; I don't have anything specific to suggest.

From: lldb-dev 
 On Behalf Of Frédéric Riss via lldb-dev
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 5:40 PM
To: Zachary Turner
Subject: Re: [lldb-dev] RFC: Moving debug info parsing out of process

On Feb 26, 2019, at 4:52 PM, Zachary Turner 
<ztur...@google.com<mailto:ztur...@google.com>> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 4:49 PM Frédéric Riss 
<fr...@apple.com<mailto:fr...@apple.com>> wrote:

On Feb 26, 2019, at 4:03 PM, Zachary Turner 
<ztur...@google.com<mailto:ztur...@google.com>> wrote:

I would probably build the server by using mostly code from LLVM.  Since it 
would contain all of the low level debug info parsing libraries, i would expect 
that all knowledge of debug info (at least, in the form that compilers emit it 
in) could eventually be removed from LLDB entirely.

That’s quite an ambitious goal.

I haven’t looked at the SymbolFile API, what do you expect the exchange 
currency between the server and LLDB to be? Serialized compiler ASTs? If that’s 
the case, it seems like you need a strong rev-lock between the server and the 
client. Which in turn add quite some complexity to the rollout of new versions 
of the debugger.
Definitely not serialized ASTs, because you could be debugging some language 
other than C++.  Probably something more like JSON, where you parse the debug 
info and send back some JSON representation of the type / function / variable 
the user requested, which can almost be a direct mapping to LLDB's internal 
symbol hierarchy (e.g. the Function, Type, etc classes).  You'd still need to 
build the AST on the client

This seems fairly easy for Function or symbols in general, as it’s easy to 
abstract their few properties, but as soon as you get to the type system, I get 

Your representation needs to have the full expressivity of the underlying debug 
info format. Inventing something new in that space seems really expensive. For 
example, every piece of information we add to the debug info in the compiler 
would need to be handled in multiple places:
 - the server code
 - the client code that talks to the server
 - the current “local" code (for a pretty long while)
Not ideal. I wish there was a way to factor at least the last 2.

But maybe I’m misunderstanding exactly what you’d put in your JSON. If it’s 
very close to the debug format (basically a JSON representation of the DWARF or 
the PDB), then it becomes more tractable as the client code can be the same as 
the current local one with some refactoring.


So, for example, all of the efforts to merge LLDB and LLVM's DWARF parsing 
libraries could happen by first implementing inside of LLVM whatever 
functionality is missing, and then using that from within the server.  And yes, 
I would expect lldb to spin up a server, just as it does with lldb-server today 
if you try to debug something.  It finds the lldb-server binary and runs it.

When I say "switching the default", what I mean is that if someday this 
hypothetical server supports everything that the current in-process parsing 
codepath supports, we could just delete that entire codepath and switch 
everything to the out of process server, even if that server were running on 
the same physical machine as the debugger client (which would be functionally 
equivalent to what we have today).

(I obviously knew what you meant by "switching the default”, I was trying to 
ask about how… to which the answer is by spinning up a local server)

Do you envision LLDB being able to talk to more than one server at the same 
time? It seems like this could be useful to debug a local build while still 
having access to debug symbols for your dependencies that have their symbols in 
a central repository.

I hadn't really thought of this, but it certainly seems possible.  Since the 
API is stateless, it could send requests to any server it wanted, with some 
mechanism of selecting between them.

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