Alexia, I think you wrote many wise things about the webpage. I don't know
yet who is the admin of the site, but I want to encourage you to find him
and do what you wrote.
On 12 Jan 2014 17:42, "Alexia Rose" <alexiarose...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I suggest some editing of the Community page on SF. I believe that some
> sections should be written differently, organized slightly
> differently, tell people explicitly the things they need to know, do not
> assume that they know.
> Example: "Join SF today to enjoy the community forum, check out and
> upload content, report bugs, request features, and help LMMS grow!
> <signup link>". Or something. They have many reasons to join SF now,
> when it is said that way. The site concept is not as mysterious anymore,
> because you have just explained what is in there. It is not anymore "some
> techie site and I am not a programmer, so I will just download because
> there is no use of me joining". They help LMMS grow = they can do something
> = they matter. And this needs to be right under the social networks or on
> the top. So what is familiar on that page? Social media and Soundcloud. You
> are right that a new forum should not be made. I was wrong. It would make
> things very scattered and I admit it is much wiser decision to strengthen
> the existing one and have all on one place. SF is not intimidating if the
> "PR" section is written the right way.
> NOTE: I could swear to God there was some place where I downloaded skins
> for LMMS, trying to find that page later but it vanished. After some time,
> I find the skins on accident under "Share your songs". This needs to be
> renamed User Content or something else more intuitive, as right now it is
> very hard to find. Nobody will get the idea to look for tutorials, or
> skins, under Share your songs.
> The question is where do YOU want the users to be. Do you want people to
> be on SF, hanging out and contributing? Make it a priority. Bigger font, or
> a prominent place on the page. For the rest, tell them where to
> go according to their interests. It is reasonable to assume that most
> people will want to be on SF and some social media for short news or
> uploading art. The rest needs to be in the shadow for people who look for
> specific things. Why not make a separate tab for development and just deal
> with the users on community page?
> It is not made quite clear which of the two lists is delivering what. The
> purpose of a site/page/list should be the criteria for classifying, except
> for social media which everyone understands - they will expect short news
> there. Where do I go to report bugs? How can I be informed when new
> features/releases are available? I want to be a beta tester, where do I go?
> etc. This is what people ask themselves when then hit the Community page,
> but they do not get clear directions. The page does not specify if i.e. the
> user list gets announcements of new features/releases - this needs to be
> specified further so people do not wonder what kind of mails will they be
> getting, it is described too broadly. What does it mean "just talk about
> LMMS"?
> If you want to get regular users to do what you want, you need to think
> how they think and help them. Plan out where do you want them to be, imo
> user list and SF forum is too much, either one or the other. A forum has
> the extra of adding publicity and searchable pages, it is not as
> closed/private as the mailing list. Even if the list is active, no one can
> access what is written and be motivated to join. I took a look of the
> forum, it is much more motivating to join. (I talk about the user list, dev
> list seems to work fine for developers.) LMMS needs publicity. Forget
> masses and github, it will not work. For me, GitHub could as well be in
> Chinese. Could there be a middleman between SF and Github to filter out the
> top priorities and have the devs connected with the users that way? This
> way you can focus on coding, and they stay involved with you. Yay! Everyone
> wins.
> I asked earlier about translation, I would like to know if I
> need programming skills to translate this? Please reply just to me for
> this last issue as not to spam everybody.
> Thanks
>
>
> On Friday, January 10, 2014 6:54 PM, Vesa <dii....@nbl.fi> wrote:
> If we want an LMMS forum, I don't think it should be a new one. I think
> the existing SF forum should be migrated to a new place. The SF forum is
> still active, there's not much activity but there is some - there are
> new posts every day, there are even new users almost every day, asking
> for advice on things.
>
> I think it's mostly slow there because it's... slow. The SF forum is
> horribly slow, it takes ages to load pages. That's probably part of the
> reason why it sees little use. But there is use, there are some forum
> regulars posting new tracks, new resources, plugins - the Bitrot LADSPA
> plugins for one thing, those are even something I think would be great
> to include in LMMS - but the forum is slow and using it is not pleasant,
> so it's no wonder the activity is minimal.
>
> If we start a new forum from scratch, it's just going to split the
> userbase again - a small community doesn't need to be divided to dozens
> of tiny islands. So I think the best action to take, forum-wise, would
> be to migrate the SF forum to a new, better platform.
>
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