Probably making the reports public would also be good - users would know
what this data delivers and that it's transparent.
2014/1/17 Jonathan Aquilina <[email protected]>
> I think we need to wait and see what sirmacik can offer us and then plan it
> from there. Right now i would file a feature request for this. I think it
> would
> be easier to store data in a database. Then we can apply Business
> intelligence
> methods to generate appropriate reports and statistics from that data
> stored
> in the database.
>
> On Friday 17 January 2014 14:28:57 Tobiasz Karoń wrote:
> > I think that writing down logs to a local file ad then sending them to a
> > remote server when internet connection is present would be a good idea.
> > Also user should be notified that anonymous statistics have been uploaded
> > successfully (or failed - until the remote server responds that the file
> is
> > complete and all right, the local log file should be kept).
> >
> > Could sirmacik deliver us with a hosting solution for this system?
> >
> > This also brings in the idea of "Log window" that would eat up such info
> > along with "Plugin X not found" information - closing 20 dialog windows
> > ain't a pleasant task.
> >
> >
> > 2014/1/17 Jonathan Aquilina <[email protected]>
> >
> > > Unfa couldnt have said it any better myself :) I agree 200%. Is it
> > > possible to
> > > get this filed as a feature request.
> > >
> > > It might have to wait until LMMS has some of its own infrastructure as
> we
> > > will
> > > need a database to store the statistics.
> > >
> > > On Friday 17 January 2014 13:48:42 Tobiasz Karoń wrote:
> > > > One big thing this would solve is discovering what features are NOT
> used
> > >
> > > -
> > >
> > > > for example we'd know if people know keyboard shortcuts.
> > > >
> > > > For example if we implement the "FX mixer strips auto-rename"
> feature,
> > > > by
> > > > logging all operations of mixer-strip manual renaming we could
> measure
> > >
> > > how
> > >
> > > > useful (or not) this feature is - if it's broken or works not as
> users
> > > > expect, they're gonna use manual renaming a lot, but if they stop
> manual
> > > > renaming at all - I'd interpret this that auto-rename is working
> great.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe we have some cool features that are not used, not because they
> are
> > > > useless, but because they are not known.
> > > >
> > > > This feature could also be connected with a "Tip of the day" feature
> > > > (new
> > > > idea, just got it) - displaying tips that users probably don't know,
> > >
> > > based
> > >
> > > > on local feature usage statistics.
> > > > Let's show them tips about what they never done before in the first
> > >
> > > place!
> > >
> > > > A button "This tip was *useful*" and "This tip was *useless*" for
> user
> > > > feedback could also help us review the tips and decide what to do to
> > > > improve them.
> > > >
> > > > A button or context menu item "Send feedback about this..." that
> opens a
> > > > text input window allowing users to write personal notes about
> anything
> > >
> > > in
> > >
> > > > the program would also be a great way of gathering instant and fresh
> > > > comments about what works and what doesn't in the program.
> > > >
> > > > I think anonymous statistics and feedback could make a big
> difference in
> > > > how developers understand users.
> > > >
> > > > 2014/1/15 Jonathan Aquilina <[email protected]>
> > > >
> > > > > You are ok. Thing is things get discussed then they vanish and
> never
> > >
> > > get
> > >
> > > > > completed as there was no issue filed in the tracker.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wednesday 15 January 2014 16:03:15 you wrote:
> > > > > > It's me. Mea culpa ;)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 15 Jan 2014 16:01, "Jonathan Aquilina" <
> [email protected]>
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Can we put this on the issue tracker please and get it tagged
> as
> > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > enhancement request please.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks please include the below discussion and the names of hte
> > >
> > > person
> > >
> > > > > in
> > > > >
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > initial post that way we dont have to start the discussion from
> > > > > > > scratch
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wednesday 15 January 2014 15:59:01 Tobiasz Karoń wrote:
> > > > > > > > Absolutely.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 15 Jan 2014 14:50, "Vesa" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 01/15/2014 03:32 PM, Israel wrote:
> > > > > > > > > That might be useful. I think including a 'Report Problem
> '
> > > > > > > > > button
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > be nice so all the bug reports can go to a common area. I
> get
> > >
> > > bug
> > >
> > > > > > > reports
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > for Ubuntu occasionally (though honestly a lot of them have
> > >
> > > been
> > >
> > > > > for
> > > > >
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > packaging... which I have been chipping away at fixing)
> > > > > > > > > But if someone has a real problem with the actual program,
> > >
> > > having
> > >
> > > > > an
> > > > >
> > > > > > > easy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > way to send a bug report is a good idea!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 01/14/2014 03:37 PM, Tobiasz Karoń wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This idea comes back to me again: could LMMS gather some
> > > > >
> > > > > statistics if
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > users agree to participate?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What info and why?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > - LMMS version
> > > > > > > > > - operating system
> > > > > > > > > - screen resolution
> > > > > > > > > - audio back-end
> > > > > > > > > - instruments/plugins usage
> > > > > > > > > - feature usage (clicks on every UI element)
> > > > > > > > > - crashes per month
> > > > > > > > > - problem reports (user input - would require a "report
> > >
> > > problem"
> > >
> > > > > > > feature)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > - ?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This could be implemented BUT - a huge BUT: it needs to be
> > > > > > > > > entirely
> > > > > > > > > transparent, voluntary and opt-in, and respectful of the
> > > > > > > > > user's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > privacy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Here's the bare minimum requirements:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > - when you first run LMMS a dialog could pop up asking if
> the
> > >
> > > user
> > >
> > > > > > > wants
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > to participate, and if the user selects "no" they won't be
> > > > > > > > > bothered
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > about
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > it again.
> > > > > > > > > - this dialog should also explain clearly what kind of
> data is
> > > > > > > > > sent
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > where.
> > > > > > > > > - the feature should also be able to be later manually
> turned
> > > > >
> > > > > off/on
> > > > >
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > the settings, and that setting must be easy to find.
> > > > > > > > > - we should also collect data on a strictly need-to-know
> > > > > > > > > basis,
> > > > > > > > > ie.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > only
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > collect things that are a) strictly necessary/useful for
> the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > development
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > LMMS, and b) anonymous - can't be used to identify/track
> the
> > >
> > > user.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > Post-Snowden, there's no playing around with this kind of
> > >
> > > stuff...
> > >
> > >
> > >
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