How old were you when you started writing MusE Flo, if you don't mind me
asking?

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Florian Jung <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 29.07.2016 07:33, termtech wrote:
> > Hey Florian how's it going? Nice to hear from you.
> > Must be out of school by now working for a nice company?
>
> Hi :D
>
> yea, great to see that there's still some progress on MusE :]
> Nope, i'm still at university, working on my master's degree.
> I haven't found any *nice* company yet, so i thought i'd rather stay at
> university :D
>
> But I've got a job there, and it's quite fun :D
>
> >
> >> you know what kind of machine I used to develop MusE on :D?
> >> A Thinkpad X31, featuring a 1.4GHz Pentium M, with P-ATA HDD (but more
> >> RAM than yours :D)
> >> It took hours, literally, hours :D
> >>
> >> And then you change that tiny header file and BAAAM, you need to
> >> basically recompile EVERYTHING :D
> >>
> >> Cheers from Germany!
> >> flo
> >
> > Yeah, that's exactly why I went to my dealer.
> > I joked I was literally growing cobwebs (a spider once tried to 'thread'
> me)
> >  and my hair turning grey waiting for things to happen - not just with
> >  compiling, but the whole system.
> >
> >
> > Want to patch something up: The choice between shared and non-shared
> >  event lists was gut-wrenching for me. Day after day I tried to decide
> >  which was the way, running scenarios in my mind trying to look forward.
> > Each had merits. I was stuck. So when I took a break and came back
> >  and saw that non-shared was added, I guess I kinda lost it in a rant at
> you,
> >  not having worked it out yet in my mind which way forward.
> >
> > Still, it was an amazing amount of work.
> > I actually struggled afterwards for a week thinking if I should revert
> >  it all and try shared lists, or move forward with non-shared.
> >
> > Well, I moved forward with it. I moved in what I think was the direction
> >  you were headed in, and completed/embellished/reworked the code.
> > The result is that now compressed wave file parts can overlap without
> >  MusE choking, each wave event has its own sndfile handle now.
>
> Great to hear that :)
> Yea, problem with shared eventlists is: You DO want to share the
> information, but you definitely do not want to share any temporary state
> information that's used during playback. By having also the state
> shared, you force MusE to only process one clone at a time.
>
> > The master ' sndfile' list is actually useless now, and will be
> >  removed or re-purposed as I wrote in the ChangeLog.
>
> nice! :)
>
> >
> > ***
> > But I say these words because of something brand new, and it is
> >  ironic that you piped up here today because I was forced to commit
> >  this new branch for the first time today, so that I may pull it into
> >  the new PC. You may find this interesting:
>
> (fun fact: you could have added your old machine as a remote, and pull
> from there. that's the nice thing about git, you do not have to use that
> "central repo" at all)
>
> >
> > Here is what /my/ vision for MusE audio looked like, so many months ago
> >  when I wrote that sloppy experimental AudioConverter class code.
> > And then I got waaay side-tracked because, lo and behold I realized
> >  oh-no we were using shared event lists...
> > And now we are not. Thanks to /you/ Florian.
>
> *blush* :)
>
> >
> > I finished my work. And more.
> > See the new branch "audio_convert":
> >
> > Features:
> >
> > * Sample rate conversion:
> > Automatic project-wide 'live' sample rate conversion of both
> >  audio and graphical data, including both wave and data automation.
> > MusE does not 'care' what sample rate the audio system is running
> >  vs. project sample rate vs. wave file sample rate. It tries to
> faithfully
> >  present and play the project the same way every time.
> > This 'live' conversion is non-destructive: You can save the project
> >  at one sample rate, then open it at another and save it.
> > (Although, it warns you that slight rounding errors may creep in.)
> >
> > * Stretch, pitch, and sample rate controls:
> > All Wave Events can be stretched, re-sampled, and pitch-shifted.
> > The stretching and re-sampling is done with movable 'markers'.
> > The pitch is adjusted with a normal controller-style graph.
> > All three also allow direct value entry.
>
> whoa, hell yea! gotta try this out!
> You know, i was working on this for weeks or even months, but didn't get
> it working really nicely (after having resolved the event list issue, i
> still wasn't able to stretch things precisely, they always got off-beat
> by some fractions of a 8th :/)
>
> >
> > * Choice of re-samplers and stretchers/shifters:
> > Choose technology (SRC, Zita Resampler, Rubberband, SoundTouch etc) -
> >  on all Wave Events with global default customizeable settings.
> > Local settings can override the default settings, including converter
> type,
> >  for /each/ Wave Event. Full unique settings and options for each type.
> > Separately adjustable settings for three different 'modes':
> > Offline, Realtime, and GUI (choose which converter draws the wave).
> >
> > * Render mode:
> > Once you are satisfied with 'Realtime' conversion settings, a wave
> >  can be permanently rendered, using the 'Offline' mode settings.
> > Or, when the the project is finally 'bounced' to a track, it will
> >  also use the 'Offline' mode settings.
> >
> > * Modular audio conversion API:
> > Each supported converter type is a self-contained shared library (dl),
> >  just like plugins. Although, currently they depend on some MusE code.
> > They are 'discovered' at startup.
> > Each library contains the converter code, the unique settings code,
> >  and graphical dialog to adjust its unique settings.
> > An API master dialog selects the type, and opens each found available
> >  converter's unique settings dialog, for Wave Events and the global
> defaults,
> >  and for all three 'modes' (Offline, Realtime, and GUI).
>
> niiiiiiiiiiice! especially that "offline" mode is important (or,
> actually, was), because my sloooow laptop only managed to stretch one or
> two waves at a time, cpu-wise :D
>
> >
> >
> > At this moment I'm reworking the StretchList class.
> > Please bear with me, try it in a few days.
>
> yea, be sure to drop me a mail when things are suitable for alpha-testing
> :D
> gotta get QT5 running beforehand anyway :D
>
>
> btw, do you see a possibility to add this "offline" mode to
> ladspa/lv2/vst effects, too? that was on my "dreams"-list, but i never
> managed to get it working.
>
> Cheers!
> flo
>
> >
> > Yes, it works. Just borked ATM. And a HUGE commented mess.
> > It was only yesterday that (I hope) I worked out an 'end-game'
> >  regarding movable stretch/samplerate markers.
> > So with that, I am somewhat confident that I can move it forward
> >  and thus make this announcement. I hope it all works out.
> >
> > Lots TBD, including tempo...
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Tim.
> >
> >
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