-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've seen this argument so many times... I'm sure you've all seen my blog posting about it. In the tiny world I've seen of people that hold an opinion that doesn't fight one or the other I've seen it summed up as: ~'GNU is a tolerated evil. We all know RMS is petty and arrogant. However, you can't ignore the contribution GNU has made to FOSS.'
I guess when it comes down to it... FSF ~= GNU GNU != Linux Linux != Operating System (OS) GNU != OS GNU+Linux != OS Ubuntu == Ubuntu Linux Ubuntu Linux == OS > This year, The National Summit of Free Software considered leaving out > Ubuntu all together based on the differences between GNU project in > Venezuela and their opinion on Ubuntu as Free Software. I know very few Linux based OS'es that actually agree with GNU. I know of none of them that fully agree with their views. Considering that National Summit of Free Software != FSF; I see no reason why Ubuntu should not be included. Want something to use to argue? echo $(uname -a) Ya ya... no need for echo junk - just sounded fun uname -a > My worry lies with members that are joining the team and they see > themselves being pointed at and receiving all this negative 5 year-old > FUD statements that really wear out the spirit in some of the younger > members of the team in really remote areas. The fact that the kernel uses GNU in the kernel name should be enough to say that we're giving them credit for the work they did. I think the best thing we can do is just ignore GNU and let them burn themselves out someday. Probably not. As far as your problem itself goes. I wish I knew what to say. It's really very much like distro wars. The only way to kill the issue is for both sides to focus on the benefits each provide. Both sides need to do this, not just one. If you browse gnu.org you won't see evidence of any effort on their side. Obviously we have people on our side that are willing to see the other side but most of us won't because of the extent GNU holds their opinions. Maybe they should actually finish the GNU OS someday and get over with it.... How long has it been going on for now? I've approached them - had the same experience as everyone else. Not much we can really do about it until their willing to reciprocate our efforts. Which brings me back to your issue. I still don't have a real solution other than showing them the output of uname -a. That should at least show that Ubuntu isn't saying we have nothing to do with GNU and don't recognize them at all. If they can't accept that, or the fact that we don't rebrand anything such as GNU Grub (or Firefox[debian. -_-]) or GNU Parted, then perhaps their more FSF/GNU orientated than FOSS orientated. If that's really the case then it's possible you could work on a FOSS event rather than the FSF/GNU event. I don't know if that's good or bad advice but it's the best I can offer. DoctorMo: I'm sure you want to disagree with me, could you just do it in IRC instead? Hopefully I helped some. On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 23:38:42 -0430 Santiago Zarate <[email protected]> wrote: > I dont want to flame... but sometimes, the problem becomes bigger when > you actually *see* R.M.S. doing this. Then you see the followers, who > only (and mostly) use nonsensical arguments. :/ > > You can come up with few good facts about why ubuntu is the way it is, > or how things work, and/or tell them how to use only free (As in free > of speech) software and ubuntu at the same time. Yet, you have to face > the problem "XXX said it is bad". > > So far to deal with this kind of people i just either walk away or > only tell few things (Facts about the goods of ubuntu and drive the > conversation to a point where the limitations of being > all-open-or-nothing becomes very common... Thanks to ghandi[1]) > > [1] Mahatma Gandhi: Persistence - "First they ignore you, then they > laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." > > 2010/4/4 Daniel Chen <[email protected]>: > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Paul Tagliamonte <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Let them kindly know the default install of Ubuntu contains no nonfree > >> software. > > > > Depending on the semantics of "no nonfree", that is not necessarily > > the case. For instance, the linux-image-2.6.xx-foo packages still > > distribute modules compiled from source termed by Debian to be > > non-DFSG-Free (Debian #483918). In Lucid: > > > > $ dlocate snd-|egrep '(ymf|maestro|korg1212|cs46xx)' > > linux-image-2.6.32-19-generic: > > /lib/modules/2.6.32-19-generic/kernel/sound/pci/cs46xx/snd-cs46xx.ko > > linux-image-2.6.32-19-generic: > > /lib/modules/2.6.32-19-generic/kernel/sound/pci/korg1212/snd-korg1212.ko > > linux-image-2.6.32-19-generic: > > /lib/modules/2.6.32-19-generic/kernel/sound/pci/snd-maestro3.ko > > linux-image-2.6.32-19-generic: > > /lib/modules/2.6.32-19-generic/kernel/sound/pci/ymfpci/snd-ymfpci.ko > > > > -Dan > > > > -- > > loco-contacts mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts > > > - -- Michael Lustfield Kalliki Software Network and Systems Administrator -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAku5abMACgkQ3y7Nst6YLGXFPwCeO4j7LAumP0VnQ6NrsgL65ZeA KQYAmwc6gCMsSicc1yKMGVATVu0Je8XN =nN8t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- loco-contacts mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
