I just did. Although it isn't just another social group for users, it's a team for activists. Feel free to ignore if you don't care =]
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 17:21, Paul Tagliamonte <[email protected]> wrote: > Then you can start a LUG. LoCo are for Ubuntu :) > > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Danny Piccirillo > <[email protected]> wrote: > > This isn't about undermining Ubuntu. If you only care about Ubuntu, and > not > > about free software, sure, but i think that most of us do. > > > > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 17:16, David Overcash <[email protected]> > > wrote: > >> > >> Pass it on? Really? > >> While I don't disagree with (a majority of) your argument - using the > >> structures of the LoCo community to completely undermine Ubuntu's > community > >> support teams seems a bit... mis-targeted. Doesn't it? > >> > >> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Danny Piccirillo > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> Please pass this on to discuss with your loco teams. > >>> > >>> > http://blog.thesilentnumber.me/2010/06/why-ubuntu-locos-should-move-to.html > >>> In the debate over whether it is worth supporting projects like Ubuntu > >>> which are not purely free software, my opinion thus far remains that > Ubuntu > >>> does help further the free software movement. Arguments against this > are > >>> welcome, but that is a discussion for a future post. The reason that > >>> Ubuntu's local community teams should move to LibrePlanet is because > having > >>> one of the worlds strongest FLOSS advocacy networks centered around one > >>> piece of software and sponsored by one company is a disservice to the > >>> greater free software community. > >>> > >>> I have been heavily involved in Ubuntu advocacy for years, but for a > >>> while now, i've been considering the prospect of local teams operating > >>> independent of Canonical. This would not be a move to abandon Ubuntu, > but > >>> simply to open up more possibilities and reach our full potential. Most > >>> people in LoCos are not loyal to Ubuntu, but to free software (aka open > >>> source). We are united by a set of ideals and work together to promote > >>> software which helps further these ideals. Why then, must all of our > >>> advocacy revolve around one GNU+Linux distribution? There are two main > >>> reasons for why it currently does. > >>> > >>> Firstly, because Ubuntu is seen by most people as the best way to > >>> introduce new people to a (mostly) free desktop environment. It is > certainly > >>> much easier to simply promote one operating system than a family of > them. > >>> Still, this is no reason to limit ourselves. A team not entirely > exclusive > >>> to Ubuntu can just as easily choose to promote Ubuntu exclusively for > events > >>> aimed at the general public. Ubuntu may be the best now, but if > something > >>> better came along or if Ubuntu went downhill, we should be able and > ready to > >>> adapt. Being an Ubuntu LoCo does not provide this flexibility. > >>> > >>> Secondly, because the infrastructure is there. Canonical provides a > wiki > >>> and mailing lists to their teams and in exchange, the teams work for > them, > >>> albeit loosely, as part of the Ubuntu LoCo project, under its name and > >>> banner. Canonical also provides printed install discs to officially > approved > >>> teams, but there is no reason why Canonical should not provide > sponsorship > >>> to any team of people who will be promoting Ubuntu. It's mutually > >>> beneficial. In the meantime, to continue receiving materials only > provided > >>> to officially approved teams, LoCo's can continue to operate alongside > >>> LibrePlanet groups. This isn't all to say that Canincal has been > working to > >>> actively lock teams in, but this is the effect it now has. Creating the > LoCo > >>> project, providing the structure needed to establish global network of > local > >>> advocacy teams, was a great service, but the time has come to grow > beyond > >>> its current scope. > >>> > >>> LibrePlanet is inspired by Ubuntu's LoCo Project, but it's instead > >>> organized around ideals, not any particular piece of software. Surely > there > >>> are some who only care about what tools work best, but let's not forget > the > >>> ideals which made these better tools possible. Most of us imagine a > world > >>> where these ideals are universal and see an incredible amount of > potential > >>> in that. LibrePlanet isn't yet another social group for GNU+Linux > users, but > >>> a team of activists. These groups are more open to users of any free > >>> software who may be interested in advocacy. Sponsorship could come from > >>> Canonical, Mozilla, or whoever. Isn't this much more in line with the > nature > >>> of FLOSS? > >>> > >>> Being a LoCo does in many ways lock you in to promoting Ubuntu. You may > >>> promote other software and welcome users of other distros, but by their > very > >>> title, LoCo teams exist for Ubuntu. The very reason i began taking this > idea > >>> seriously is because some non-Ubuntu users wanted to get involved with > an > >>> event organized by my local community team, but did not want to work > under > >>> an Ubuntu banner (literally). I don't blame them. I went on to discover > many > >>> people who lurk on our mailing list and even IRC channel simply hadn't > >>> gotten involved because they were put off by the exclusive nature of > the > >>> group even though they do happen to use Ubuntu themselves. There is an > >>> incredible network of people out there who want to help, and we > shouldn't > >>> box them out. > >>> > >>> Many people have some badly tainted perceptions of the FSF, but being a > >>> LibrePlanet team does not require strict adherence to FSF rules. Teams > could > >>> work on would be creating a voice for free software that doesn't have > the > >>> (in my opinion mostly wrong) reputation of the FSF to be too extreme, > and > >>> this is coming from someone who often doesn't agree with their > approach. To > >>> provide an example and get the ball rolling, i'd like to announce > >>> the LibrePlanet Massachusetts Team. > >>> > >>> Mailing > >>> list: http://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-us-ma > >>> IRC: #libreplanet-us-ma on FreeNode > >>> > >>>> The LibrePlanet Massachusetts Team is a group of volunteers and > >>>> activists organized around furthering the ideals of free software and > >>>> related issues concerning digital rights and free culture. > >>>> > >>>> This group is working towards a free society through free software, > but > >>>> we are not a local Free Software Foundation team. We share the same > end > >>>> goals as the FSF, but some of us may find it necessary and more > effective to > >>>> make some temporary compromises with proprietary software in order to > better > >>>> spread free software. Some of us may not necessarily say GNU+Linux or > always > >>>> say "free software" instead of "open source", and some of us may use > >>>> pragmatic benefits to advocate free software with the understanding > that > >>>> freedom is the underlying concern and principle which makes it all > possible. > >>>> We are open to people of all levels of interest in free software and > welcome > >>>> new participants. We are all united in the fight for software freedom > as an > >>>> important and necessary means for the prospect of a free society. > >>> > >>> You can start your own LibrePlanet chapter > >>> here: http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/Form:Group > >>> > >>> -- > >>> .danny > >>> > >>> ☮♥Ⓐ - http://www.google.com/profiles/danny.piccirillo > >>> Every (in)decision matters. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> loco-contacts mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> loco-contacts mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > .danny > > > > ☮♥Ⓐ - http://www.google.com/profiles/danny.piccirillo > > Every (in)decision matters. > > > > -- > > loco-contacts mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts > > > > > > > > -- > #define sizeof(x) rand() > :wq > > -- > loco-contacts mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts > -- .danny ☮♥Ⓐ - http://www.google.com/profiles/danny.piccirillo Every (in)decision matters.
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