Mark,

> Did I hear that some of the Geronimo folks were current/former
> JBoss folks?

http://coredevelopers.net/members/
http://coredevelopers.net/technology/geronimo/

  - Matt

-----Original Message-----
From:   Mark Womack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   Fri 11/14/2003 1:22 AM
To:     'Log4J Developers List'
Cc:     
Subject:        RE: My comments on JBoss accusations
Wow.  If exhibits A & B are the best they can do there, it is kind of
pathetic.  Exhibit C does look like a direct rip off though.

Ceki, thanks for taking the time to answer their challenge on the log4j
stuff.

I understand their desire to protect their property, it being LGPL, but I am
guessing that they must feel threatened by the Geronimo project to some
degree.  Did I hear that some of the Geronimo folks were current/former
JBoss folks?

-Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:42 AM
> To: Log4J Developers List
> Subject: RE: My comments on JBoss accusations
> 
> 
> 
> I wondered about that too. My current feeling is that 
> Exhibits A and B are 
> the result of misjudement.
> 
> At 09:11 AM 11/13/2003 -0500, Matt Munz wrote:
> >Ceki,
> >
> >   I can't imagine why, but perhaps they did it on purpose?
> >
> >   - Matt
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:08 AM
> >To: Log4J Developers List
> >Subject: RE: My comments on JBoss accusations
> >
> >
> >Thanks Yoav. Fixed.
> >
> >How incredibly stupid for JBoss LLC to accuse the ASF of copyright
> >infringement and presenting as evidence software which 
> originated in *this*
> >project.
> >
> >J copies software X from A, changes indentation, variable 
> names. It then
> >presents the modified version of X as evidence against A for 
> intellectual
> >property violation. What a joke. What an insult to intelligence.
> >
> >At 08:44 AM 11/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> > >Howdy,
> > >The document at that link is cut off or incomplete (ending 
> with a comma
> > >in
> > >the middle of a sentence).
> > >
> > >Yoav Shapira
> > >Millennium ChemInformatics
> > >
> > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:43 AM
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> > > >Subject: My comments on JBoss accusations
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >You might be aware of the accusations leveled against 
> the ASF. Here
> > > >is my take on the subject.
> > > >
> > > >  http://apache.org/~ceki/jboss.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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