Sorry for the delay and my general absence from the discussions.  Things are
still crazy here at work.

+1

My comments on the subject:

1) If the "sister" projects decide to not particpate, then I think the
need/momentum for this TLP dissipates.  So, their support is key, in my
mind.  I think that the work and evangelization that Scott and others have
been doing is great, and I would like to see it all come together under a
TLP umbrella.  I would like to see members from these other projects as part
of the final proposal.  I don't know what the implications are for licenses
or if the sister projects are required to change licenses, etc.

2) I personally see this as a great way to "take out" commons-logging with
something that is (maybe) less controversial, better implemented, and has a
richer set of features.  Exactly what form it will take and whether the
community at-large accepts it is a different question.  But I think it would
be within the bounds of this TLP.

Of course, everyone listed in the proposal realizes that there will be added
responsibilites being a PLC member, right?  You'll be moving up the Apache
"chain of command", so to speak.  This will be a new PLC, so we'll be
setting up shop, setting the project standards, etc.  I think it is great
and I am looking forward to working with everyone on it.

-Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:07 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [PROPOSAL] Logging services top level project
> 
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Several months ago I floated the idea of creating a top level project
> covering logging services. The idea was received favorably. Moreover,
> we currently have or shortly will have inter-operability with the
> following log4j sister projects:
> 
> * Log4Perl
> * Log4Net
> * Log4Cxx (c++)
> * Log4CPlus
> * Log4PHP
> * JDK1.4's util.logging framework
> 
> I would like propose to the board the creation of the Apache Logging
> Services top level project.
> 
> Here is an initial draft of the resolution to be submitted to 
> the board
> http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?LoggingApacheOrg/
> BoardResoluion
> 
> Do we want to do this? I do and here is my +1.
> 
> [X] +1, let's do it
> [ ] 0,  I don't know
> [ ] -1, no, that's a bad idea because:...
> 
> 
> -- 
> Ceki Gülcü 

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