On 13 Dec 2003, at 02:26, Jacob Kjome wrote:
At 03:49 PM 12/12/2003 +0100, you wrote:
You raise interesting questions. The licensing wars are indeed getting tiresome. Nevertheless, qualifying the Apache license as viral is highly inaccurate. The ASF asks you to adopt the Apache Software License if you decide to live under its roof. That is the rule.
If I decide to live under its roof, then there isn't a problem. It is when I'd rather not do that when there is a problem. And Apache won't work with me at all if I use other certain licenses even though I am open source and have the same ultimate goals as Apache. I also can't use the Apache license outside of Apache's walls (or do I have that part wrong?).
the reason for this is that the apache license contains an assertion that the copyright for the code belongs to the Apache Software Foundation. that's the reason why the actual apache license can't be used outside. you can use an apache-like license provided that you change the bits that talk about apache.
if you think about this a little, you'll find that this is probably what you wanted to do anyway :)
The proposal was for the Logging Services project to be part of Apache. What, you are suggesting is a different proposal altogether. Not a bad proposal per se, but a different one nonetheless. Let us concentrate on the current proposal.
Fair enough. It's just that any project that wishes to participate in this effort must change their license to suite Apache's rules instead of allowing diverse groups to work together with a common goal, but not necessarily a common license. I think that proposal might be more useful. It almost seems monopolistic for Apache to set its rules up like this. Not that anyone is physically forced to deal with Apache, but as its products become ubiquitous, it becomes almost necessary to conform to Apache's way. I can envision a theoretical domino effect happening here of which the end result is a monopoly in the open source industry.
that seems a bit unlikely (to me at least)
1 there are probably now more diverse categories of open source license than at any time i can remember.
2 in any case, apache is an interesting social experiment. many people feel that apache cannot scale too far or too fast without loosing its essential mojo. here at apache, social pressures act as a natural break on the rate at which apache can grow.
3 most times that this has seemed like happening, folks who believe more strongly in different forms of licensing have got together and created alternative software projects under these other licenses.
- robert
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