The ability to run the latest version of Chainsaw via Web Start is a
service our users have come to expect and value.  

Taking away this service due to deployment/infrastructure issues isn't
an answer.  If we need to, let's talk to infra@ and figure out a way to
deal with this.

I understand ASF officially signing Chainsaw is a complicated issue, but
it would be a disservice to our users to take this away - let's do the
hard work of working through it.

(I know I'm making assumptions that our users take advantage of this
feature.  I know I do.)


Scott Deboy

-----Original Message-----
From: Curt Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 12:36 PM
To: Log4J Developers List
Subject: Re: Receivers and customizing the artifact output


On Aug 20, 2007, at 10:56 PM, Paul Smith wrote:

> I had a crack at working out how to create 2 separate artifacts for  
> the log4j-receivers module, 1 for the primary artifact (as current)  
> and one a chainsaw-specific artifact that excludes the JMS, DB and  
> VFS-based Receivers.  This is needed for the Webstart version  
> because of the difference in classloaders being used.
>

Could you refresh me on the technical issue that you are trying to  
work around?  I looked in the archives and it didn't jump out at me.


> I found this thread extremely useful and promising:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg68479.html
>
> Which looked like it would work a treat, but unfortunately I hit  
> this issue with the maven-jar-plugin:
>
>> http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MJAR-30
>
> Given the 2nd artifact is really 'everything but these ones  
> excluded' without the exclude feature we're a bit stuffed.
>
> I may have to resort to an antrun plugin usage to get what we  
> need.  The build-helper plugin can still help us here (slight pun  
> intended).
>
> Just thought I'd update everyone with where I'm at.
>
> cheers,
>
> Paul
>


It still seems to me that Webstart doesn't align well with the ASF  
release infrastructure.  I don't see a way for us to leverage the ASF  
web of trust of GPG signatures to verify a signed jar and the current  
Webstart version of Chainsaw isn't served through the mirrorred  
distribution server and not archived.  I also could not find a  
release vote in the archives.  I'm fairly uncomfortable with what we  
have out there and would like to have a formal release.

There is nothing preventing a single individual or organization  
repackaging a Chainsaw release for use with Webstart, but it seems  
problematic as an official release mechanism.  Could we have a tool/ 
script in the tarball/zip release that allows an individual or  
organization to sign the jars with their signature to support private  
webstart deployments?  So we would send up with a tarball and zip  
that would:

a) Could be run double clicking on the chainsaw jar (where supported)  
or by "java -jar apache-chainsaw-2.0.jar").
b) Could be run on Mac OS/X platforms by clicking on Chainsaw.app
c) Could be jarsigned by running some script and then copied to a web  
server for deployment.


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