Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen wrote:
I agree that the log4j is currently in a very uninteresting place developmentwise, but so be it. As long as there hasn't been a consensus on where to go from here - and WHY - it is hard to initiate a coordinated development effort.
There does not need to be a need for a coordinated developerment effort. A majority of log4j committers have to agree that adopting the SLF4J API is "the right thing to do" (TM). There is no technical reasons for a lot of the things we do, but we do them anyway for reasons beyond the technical.
There are no technical reasons why log4j is in such a vegatative state. It just is. I am proposing a way to restart the engine and deliver something useful to the community in a reasonable amount of time.
I think, however, that the Apache brand is extremely strong in the development community, as it has proven to stay around and has enough "mass" to ensure that projects stay maintained (and if not, that they are appropriately taken care of). You yourself know how strong the log4j brand is amonst developers, and I believe there was a reason that you chose back then to move it to Apache. It is a top level project, which is an accomplishment in itself. Kudos for that.
Back in early 2001, log4j integrated Apache on invitation. It was just a friendly place to do development, a bit like codehaus today. There was no Apache incubator, and Apache HTPD was *the* project, everything else was new and experimental. Java projects at Apache were just starting to emerge. There was no Tomcat and no Struts. People did not join Apache for the brand name, because there was none to speak of.
I am not poohing your proposal, I am wondering what is going on here. Would you care to explain why this suddenly is so important, if the Apache and log4j brands are unimportant?
Brand names are important but at the end of the day, you have to deliver something useful to users. Users would benefit from having log4j integrated with SLF4J. There is nothing urgent about my proposal but I also would not want it stalled until 2020.
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